Brexit again...

[For Us All]

David Davis rumoured to be on the brink of resignation.

 

Other countries must be looking at us and wondering what the hell is going on. This is a shambles of Smurthwaitean proportions.

 

If this happens JRM is the perfect replacement.

[For Us All]

How they waste money is irrelevant surely? Money wasted by one source isn't worth more than money wasted by another source. It's still ultimately wasted.

 

I'm not completely averse to Brexit if done properly. It's becoming apparent that nobody in government has the faintest idea what they are doing though. I think this will be the last Conservative administration in this country for a very long time, perhaps for ever.

 

Agreed,wasted money from any source is still a waste but this is blatant and is just another blight on the EU gravy train.

[Fosse69]

David Davis rumoured to be on the brink of resignation.

 

Other countries must be looking at us and wondering what the hell is going on. This is a shambles of Smurthwaitean proportions.

He is a master of brinkmanship, in a shambles of historic proportions far beyond the horizons of Burslem`s environs.

[For Us All]

David Davis rumoured to be on the brink of resignation.

 

Other countries must be looking at us and wondering what the hell is going on. This is a shambles of Smurthwaitean proportions.

 

He's just said "He will stay and fight the people trying to box him in".

He also said "Those who say the UK must be seen to be damaged by Brexit should think again", obviously referring to Brussels and it's supporters?

[For Us All]

Please identify some actual lies, not opinion or conjecture which is always given by those involved in debates, from the Remain campaign. I'm honestly not aware of any but would stand corrected if there were.

 

First of all was the Brexit bus a lie?Was the £350m gross or net and was "Let's fund" the same as "Will fund"?

Moving on,Remain No.1 lie came from European Council President Donald Tusk who said "Western political civilisation would be destroyed if the UK voted 'Leave".

They don:t come much bigger than that?

[Fosse69]

First of all was the Brexit bus a lie?Was the £350m gross or net and was "Let's fund" the same as "Will fund"?

Moving on,Remain No.1 lie came from European Council President Donald Tusk who said "Western political civilisation would be destroyed if the UK voted 'Leave".

They don:t come much bigger than that?

If I say "Let us go Vale" I watch a game. Nobody has left anywhere yet.

[Santa]

Remain No.1 lie came from European Council President Donald Tusk who said "Western political civilisation would be destroyed if the UK voted 'Leave".

They don:t come much bigger than that?

It wasn't a lie though was it? You've misquoted him.

 

These are his actual words:

Die Kampagne für den Brexit hat eine sehr klare Botschaft: ,Lasst uns austreten. Nichts wird sich ändern, alles wird bleiben wie immer.' Nun, das ist falsch. Nicht nur wirtschaftlich, sondern vor allem geopolitisch wäre es ein Rückschlag für Großbritannien. Warum ist das so gefährlich? Weil niemand die langfristigen Folgen vorhersehen kann. Als Historiker fürchte ich: Der Brexit könnte der Beginn der Zerstörung nicht nur der EU, sondern der gesamten politischen Zivilisation des Westens sein.“

 

and this is a translation:

 

“Why is it so dangerous? Because no one can foresee what the long-term consequences would be,” Tusk said. “As a historian I fear that Brexit could be the beginning of the destruction of not only the EU but also of western political civilization in its entirety.”

[Paul6754]

First of all was the Brexit bus a lie?Was the £350m gross or net and was "Let's fund" the same as "Will fund"?

Moving on,Remain No.1 lie came from European Council President Donald Tusk who said "Western political civilisation would be destroyed if the UK voted 'Leave".

They don:t come much bigger than that?

 

FUA, What facts or what anything convince you that the UK will be better off out of the EU, especially as it's now beyond any doubt that there was never any 350m to the NHS, it was a blatant lie, and regaining control of the UK's borders will simply not happen.

[Jacko51]

First of all was the Brexit bus a lie?Was the £350m gross or net and was "Let's fund" the same as "Will fund"?

Moving on,Remain No.1 lie came from European Council President Donald Tusk who said "Western political civilisation would be destroyed if the UK voted 'Leave".

They don:t come much bigger than that?

 

That's a prediction not a lie and, as we haven't yet left the EU, no one can be sure if it will come true or not yet. The £350 million was, however, stated as a fact and was downright dishonest.

[Andyregs]

First of all was the Brexit bus a lie?Was the £350m gross or net and was "Let's fund" the same as "Will fund"?

Moving on,Remain No.1 lie came from European Council President Donald Tusk who said "Western political civilisation would be destroyed if the UK voted 'Leave".

They don:t come much bigger than that?

 

You’re struggling with this one aren’t you. The main ‘lies’ are to highlight the whopper that brexiteers peddled and a misquote from someone who couldn’t even vote in the referendum. That’s like me quoting Donald trump as evidence that the leavers lie.

[SourceOfTheTrent]

If this happens JRM is the perfect replacement.

I can only assume that's a jovial comment because if it was serious I would be genuinely worried about your state of mind!

The descriptions of him as 'the honourable member for the 19th century' and 'he was born in 1969 at the age of 54' are spot on. He is so steeped in the class system it's untrue, his family wealth came from coal mining, the most brutal and exploitative industry of the past. As an advocate of Adam Smith free market economics he would not bat an eyelid at sending kids back down the pit and the reintroduction of workhouses. A truly horrible man.

[Andyregs]

Nigel Farage: “I never said leaving the eu would be a success.”

 

Are we actually discussing who the liars are here?

 

And considering how much better off we will apparently be, it’s interesting to see who will be better off after brexit. Namely the upper elite. The rees moggs of the world. And they will no doubt be sorting their finances away from the uk so it doesn’t affect them. Nigel Lawson just applied for French residency. It’s laughable.

[philpvfc]

That's a prediction not a lie and, as we haven't yet left the EU, no one can be sure if it will come true or not yet. The £350 million was, however, stated as a fact and was downright dishonest.

Dishonest in the fact that we pay more than £350 million pounds a week.

[Andyregs]

Dishonest in the fact that we pay more than £350 million pounds a week.

 

Scraping the barrel now. ‘We didn’t lie about it, we lied in a different way, but only if you ignore the lie in the second sentence.’ Does someone have to post a picture of the bloomin bus? I have no idea what point you’re trying to make. Because surely this suggests that the amount going to the nhs is more likely to happen now?

[philpvfc]

It said that the money would be better spent on the NHS. That is true.