Matty Kennedy

[Robbie Earle's Perm]

No its not its your opinion as you're leading the reader. Had you asked does RP have a good record developing young players then that would be fair enough but you invalidated your original question by starting it with 'his record isn't good with young players'.

 

Ok to keep everyone happy... Does he have a good record bringing in and developing young players and separately using the loan system?

[cheshirevaliant]

The word 'Another' relates to an additional person or thing. In this case that's substantiated by plenty other young players including Streete, Uche, O'Sullivan, McCourt, Lloyd (why keep him if you have no intention of playing him?), Junior, Luer, Panayiotou etc.

 

The use of the loan system and use / development of young players is a concern for me, I wonder if it is for others?

 

Some rather ridiculous examples there, REP. Is it Page's fault Junior got injured 45 minutes into his debut, having been thrown straight in after signing? Uche was given a good run until he stupidly got sent off at Burton, then AJ scored around a goal a game until his loan was up. What would you have Page do in those circumstances, knowing that he prefers to play 1 up front?

 

I think history says Page will play them if he deems them to be good enough (see Inniss last year and Uche this). He is also increasingly giving Hooper game time, and Kelly tends to feature in most games too. The use of the loan system is perhaps an issue, although no more or less than it has been since Foyle was in charge, but that's the nature of being a middling third division club, you are going to be reliant on chancers that other teams don't want, or players that aren't ready yet.

[werstayinup]

Some rather ridiculous examples there, REP. Is it Page's fault Junior got injured 45 minutes into his debut, having been thrown straight in after signing? Uche was given a good run until he stupidly got sent off at Burton, then AJ scored around a goal a game until his loan was up. What would you have Page do in those circumstances, knowing that he prefers to play 1 up front?

 

I think history says Page will play them if he deems them to be good enough (see Inniss last year and Uche this). He is also increasingly giving Hooper game time, and Kelly tends to feature in most games too. The use of the loan system is perhaps an issue, although no more or less than it has been since Foyle was in charge, but that's the nature of being a middling third division club, you are going to be reliant on chancers that other teams don't want, or players that aren't ready yet.

 

Totally agree and just to add that Inniss,Kelly and Hooper have all said how well he has managed them

[Paul6754]

Ok to keep everyone happy... Does he have a good record bringing in and developing young players and separately using the loan system?

 

The sample is a little small to draw any profound conclusions but I would say the likes of Alnwick, Innes, Hooper and Kelly suggest RP can bring in and develop young players but fair to say RP waits until he believes they're ready.

 

The kennedy situation is a bit of a mystery, he's got skill, has a great pass in him and wants to be involved in the game, perhaps the reason is RP believes Sam Kelly is the better bet and both parties have decided on this outcome.

[Fosse69]

Not much said about Kennedy after all. As regards young players in general, the vast majority do not make the grade. There are also the proverbs .....take a horse to water..........and silk purses.........which a manager can quote.

[Robbie Earle's Perm]

Some rather ridiculous examples there, REP. Is it Page's fault Junior got injured 45 minutes into his debut, having been thrown straight in after signing? Uche was given a good run until he stupidly got sent off at Burton, then AJ scored around a goal a game until his loan was up. What would you have Page do in those circumstances, knowing that he prefers to play 1 up front?

 

I think history says Page will play them if he deems them to be good enough (see Inniss last year and Uche this). He is also increasingly giving Hooper game time, and Kelly tends to feature in most games too. The use of the loan system is perhaps an issue, although no more or less than it has been since Foyle was in charge, but that's the nature of being a middling third division club, you are going to be reliant on chancers that other teams don't want, or players that aren't ready yet.

 

But he's overseen bringing them in and none of those listed could be classed as a success could they? Junior was fit before the end of last season but we never took him back did we?

 

Why not try AJ behind Uche when they were both at the club?

[cheshirevaliant]

But he's overseen bringing them in and none of those listed could be classed as a success could they? Junior was fit before the end of last season but we never took him back did we?

 

Why not try AJ behind Uche when they were both at the club?

 

Where would you play Junior in this side, given central midfield is the only place we are adequately stocked?

 

Probably because AJ was doing fine as a number 9 and Dodds has done fine as a number 10 (heresy for anyone to praise Dodds, I know). I suspect, like most clubs throughout his career, Uche started well and faded off rapidly. Fortunately, our results largely held up so we didn't miss him. How's he doing at Blackpool?

[Robbie Earle's Perm]

Where would you play Junior in this side, given central midfield is the only place we are adequately stocked?

 

Probably because AJ was doing fine as a number 9 and Dodds has done fine as a number 10 (heresy for anyone to praise Dodds, I know). I suspect, like most clubs throughout his career, Uche started well and faded off rapidly. Fortunately, our results largely held up so we didn't miss him. How's he doing at Blackpool?

 

But that was my main point, we don't develop these players. If we are going to bring them in then I feel we need to do more research on them before we do, then develop them as the wages we've wasted could have been put towards a more experienced player that he has a good record of attracting (Robinson aside).

 

Surely he's confident he can develop these players when he brings them in? The Uche thing was odd. Yes he was stupid but he was then ostracised, it wasn't like he kept doing it like Morsy.

[PV1973]

I've said in other threads, where do we develop the young players? We have no u21 squad and only play 2 reserve games a month. It's nowhere near enough game time given how big (over 30 players) our squad is.

[Michael]

Great way get bums on seats yet again not getting the most out of a gifted player yet again.

[Fosse69]

Surely the onus is on the loan player to demonstrate his capability to deserve game time, or for signing in the future, most are ex-academy and should have the skills. Whether some clubs attract a higher standard than we do maybe the case. Or are some here just for the experience of a different club/coaches? Bringing on our own players is a more important test of our coaches.

[mr.hobblesworth]

I said in another thread, a) would we want a fit Kennedy, and b) would we be able to afford a fit Kennedy. Unless the answer to both is yes, send him back.

[Santa]

I find it difficult to put my finger on what exactly was wrong with Kennedy. I didn't think much of him, and I didn't see too many signs that there was an underperforming Championship level player in there somewhere.

 

The disappointing thing about a lot of Page's loan signings is that they haven't strengthened the side or looked any better than what we already had. Hence why they end up spending most of their time here sat on the bench.

 

Next season will be interesting if the emergency loan market is scrapped.

[Jacko51]

Surely the job of the manager is to select the best players irrespective of age. If a player is good enough he is old enough. Inniss has been given all the game time possible this season in spite of having the more experienced McGivern available at times. Sam Kelly hdn't played a single league game before he came to Vale and has been on the pitch 24 times this season, improving as the season has progressed. Andoh was very inexperienced but played in every game after his sub appearance at Crewe until he was injured. Uche was given a load of game time before his sending off and a load of sub appearances after as well - he had virtually all the second half against Maidenhead and looked like a pub player. He has failed to score a goal since October so I suspect Page is at fault for his record at Blackpool as well. I know Ajay isn't a young player but how many of us thought he was a good signing at the start of the season yet under Page he has had the best goalscoring season of his career, despite missing games through injury. The much younger Alnwick has been preferred by Page to Neal and despite his recentl failings, he has done very well this season.

 

Matty Kennedy started very well in his first two or three games but has struggled because he persisted in trying to beat one man two many rather than cross the ball. Despite that, Page continued to give him game time even when the fans couldn't understand why.

 

So, REP, in answer to the question in your first post "Another sign of Page not particularly managing young players well? " No it isn't. It's another sign of a young player not taking the opportunity he was offered by Page.

[Cahoots]

I didn't really think he was all that good, wasn't he the one that was being tracked last summer or something?

 

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