LABOUR learning lessons?

[geosname]

All political parties... along with councils/social services/ police/ NHS etc etc etc... have been learning, when things go wrong, for at least 30 years... and still they get it wrong.... F-

[Bycarsbill]

There have been billions more in subsidies not only to Network Rail but all the fragmented companies as well than there ever was under nationalisation.

 

Capitalism in its current guise is the only option for world order because those who run it, personally benefit from it so why would they change it? If you look at the western democracies those in broader power are deeply connected with industries, BigCorp and the powerful. No one wants North Korea style communism but I think a fairer version of capitalism that benefits all is something we should all be looking for.

 

Perhaps we should all work for The John Lewis Partnership or the Co-op? Then again, with what has just happened to mutuality at the co-op, perhaps NOT! Current capitalist models of business although not perfect are still the best way to produce wealth. Yes, a lot of that wealth will go to some individuals, but jobs and therefore more prosperity is created generally. Communism as a model has failed historically everywhere it has been tried!

[Warren]

There is a possibility of an explosive vote at the next General Election. A little bit of that happened in Canada in 2011 with the advance of the New Domocrats. This might see UKIP take a big cut in to Labour and Conservatives and wipe out the liberals. UKIP is not necessarily a logical solution to much at all, but at an emotional level it is connecting with many peoples feelings including the same dissatisfactions with Westminster and the London establishment evident in the recent Scotland Independence vote. I am personally dismayed with the idea of Miliband as PM and his close colleague Balls etc. I see Miliband as a middle aged student with complex and conflicting world views. I see Cameron as vastly intellectually superior as his degree shows and that is really important to be a PM in the modern world where the person doing the job is under pressure 24 hours a day. This cracked Gordon Brown who did not have the ability to rise above detail and manage in a strategic role. But at the same time I don't trust the Conservatives to avoid a wild capitalist frenzy of the type visited upon us in the 1980s. In the end Miliband must be avoided, just look across the channel to France at the cost of electing a left wing socialist to that economy.

[Warren]

Perhaps we should all work for The John Lewis Partnership or the Co-op? Then again, with what has just happened to mutuality at the co-op, perhaps NOT! Current capitalist models of business although not perfect are still the best way to produce wealth. Yes, a lot of that wealth will go to some individuals, but jobs and therefore more prosperity is created generally. Communism as a model has failed historically everywhere it has been tried!

 

And there seem to be lots of executions and death camps etc as well with communism.

[carl]

There is a possibility of an explosive vote at the next General Election. A little bit of that happened in Canada in 2011 with the advance of the New Domocrats. This might see UKIP take a big cut in to Labour and Conservatives and wipe out the liberals. UKIP is not necessarily a logical solution to much at all, but at an emotional level it is connecting with many peoples feelings including the same dissatisfactions with Westminster and the London establishment evident in the recent Scotland Independence vote. I am personally dismayed with the idea of Miliband as PM and his close colleague Balls etc. I see Miliband as a middle aged student with complex and conflicting world views. I see Cameron as vastly intellectually superior as his degree shows and that is really important to be a PM in the modern world where the person doing the job is under pressure 24 hours a day. This cracked Gordon Brown who did not have the ability to rise above detail and manage in a strategic role. But at the same time I don't trust the Conservatives to avoid a wild capitalist frenzy of the type visited upon us in the 1980s. In the end Miliband must be avoided, just look across the channel to France at the cost of electing a left wing socialist to that economy.

 

Im sorry but the tory party is too disconnected from the average middle class person, let alone working class or underclass, to relate to the many economic issues and social problems in society. They are only standing in the interests of the rich and already wealthy and these last few years have seen the poorer communitys decimated and many people dying due to benefits being cut and unaffordable fuel and heating costs.

 

Whatever you say about Labour, at least they make some kind of compromise to balance the share of responsibility where cuts and taxation have to be made. It was ultimatetly fatcat Torys that created the problems and the big economic crash- not the underclass or the working poor.

 

UKIP are actually a right wing party but Farage acknowledges the underclass and working classes concerns in that wages have been severly undercut by unskilled immigration. Certain people on here will get on their politically correct high horse (you know who i mean) and state that UKIP are another BNP- they are not and fully back immigration in the guise of policys used by Australia ect skilled workers. We need no more warehouse workers or fruit pickers we have enough

[For Us All]

It seems that apathy still rules in S-O-T?

 

http://martintideswell.com/2014/10/05/time-for-city-council-to-deliver-after-my-city-my-say-consultation/

[Robbie Earle's Perm]

Im sorry but the tory party is too disconnected from the average middle class person, let alone working class or underclass, to relate to the many economic issues and social problems in society. They are only standing in the interests of the rich and already wealthy and these last few years have seen the poorer communitys decimated and many people dying due to benefits being cut and unaffordable fuel and heating costs.

 

Whatever you say about Labour, at least they make some kind of compromise to balance the share of responsibility where cuts and taxation have to be made. It was ultimatetly fatcat Torys that created the problems and the big economic crash- not the underclass or the working poor.

 

UKIP are actually a right wing party but Farage acknowledges the underclass and working classes concerns in that wages have been severly undercut by unskilled immigration. Certain people on here will get on their politically correct high horse (you know who i mean) and state that UKIP are another BNP- they are not and fully back immigration in the guise of policys used by Australia ect skilled workers. We need no more warehouse workers or fruit pickers we have enough

 

Australia welcome fruit pickets, indeed you can actually gain another year's visa if you work the land for a period of 88 days ;)

[kevin_struggles]

Im sorry but the tory party is too disconnected from the average middle class person, let alone working class or underclass, to relate to the many economic issues and social problems in society. They are only standing in the interests of the rich and already wealthy and these last few years have seen the poorer communitys decimated and many people dying due to benefits being cut and unaffordable fuel and heating costs.

 

Whatever you say about Labour, at least they make some kind of compromise to balance the share of responsibility where cuts and taxation have to be made. It was ultimatetly fatcat Torys that created the problems and the big economic crash- not the underclass or the working poor.

 

UKIP are actually a right wing party but Farage acknowledges the underclass and working classes concerns in that wages have been severly undercut by unskilled immigration. Certain people on here will get on their politically correct high horse (you know who i mean) and state that UKIP are another BNP- they are not and fully back immigration in the guise of policys used by Australia ect skilled workers. We need no more warehouse workers or fruit pickers we have enough

 

I'm curious, how would you define "working class"?

 

The reason I ask is that I cannot for the life of me see what benefit anyone who actually works for a living, would get from voting for labour. They are actually the worst party a genuine working person could vote for. If you work hard and have aspirations they take your money off you and give it to lazy work dodgers?

 

I wouldnt class those who have spent most of their working age lives on benefits as working class. In fact I think to do so is an insult to genuine working class people like myself.

[For Us All]

I'm curious, how would you define "working class"?

 

The reason I ask is that I cannot for the life of me see what benefit anyone who actually works for a living, would get from voting for labour. They are actually the worst party a genuine working person could vote for. If you work hard and have aspirations they take your money off you and give it to lazy work dodgers?

 

I wouldnt class those who have spent most of their working age lives on benefits as working class. In fact I think to do so is an insult to genuine working class people like myself.

 

Apparently,Ed Miller Band wants to do to Britain what socialist President Francois Hollande has done to France!!

God help us.

[Santa]

Apparently

Oh, right.

[For Us All]

Oh, right.

 

I see what you mean,Ed isn't clear to understand.

[For Us All]

Lib-Dem's view on the other parties.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2782236/Vince-Cable-mocks-rivals-accuses-George-Osborne-lying.html

[For Us All]

No 'English votes for English laws' for Labour?

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/scottish-independence/labour-will-boycott-any-talks-on-english-votes-for-english-laws-9794642.html