This could be us

[Mr Carter]

The following is not necassarilly the view of the author but it could be said that.....

 

The big question concerning Adams is not "if he blows it from here" would anyone else employ him but rather if Port Vale do go up as a very limited manager Adams like much of the squad will out of his depth in league 1.....Sheffield United thought so when Adams got them relegated from a position of safety and was something of a joke in the Championship....also Brighton who went

so near to going up to the Championship with a great young team of homegrown talent then hired Adams who dismantled the team and made the usual load of rubbish signings and almost got them relegated before being sacked.

 

It is true that Martin O'Neil's established top ten multi-cup final Leicester did get relegated in shock at O'Neil's sudden departure and got themselves straight back up while Adams was nominally the manager however owing to a transfer embargo

not even Adams could muck that up with rubbish signings.

 

Both Fulham and Brighton were very very big clubs for the fourth division and must be considered

as an easy shortcut to having a bit of success on the old CV...both went up and got rid of the journeyman fourth division

manager immediately.

 

It is said that Coventry made Adams a millionaire and although now in league 1 at the time Coventry who had been in the top flight for an eternity expected to get straight back up.....Coventry not only had all the parachute payments but also a brand new stadium....they wasted three years with Micky Adams as manager.

 

Adams is a very limited manager poor on player development and poor on signings but mostly poor tactically in fact Adams only

real strength is as a fitness coach really....it says a lot that Adams seems somewhat scared of qualified coaching staff.

 

Adams career was over and Adams was working part-time at schools/college level before Port Vale saved his career....Adams it has been noted has since insulted the club and has applied for other jobs.

 

Coventry wasted years on Adams so have Port Vale.....years and years with a top six budget has produced Micky's mid-table magic....it was a shock that Wildes and Smurf would base plans for the club on such a poor lower league journerman of a manager.....then again perhaps they are just saying this because while Adams can get a club up to league 1 most clubs do not see Adams as anything but a journeyman manager who is limited but can do a job in the fourth division and really the fourth division and non-league is Adams level....in a sense the fourth division is the least footballing of all the leagues and football proper starts at league 1......the answer to the question can Adams cut it in league 1 has already been answered by Sheffield United and Fulham who thought not and Brighton who asked and found out that Adams is way out of his depth in league 1.

 

The above is just one possible view and wrong as Adams is one of the best managers in the known football world.

 

Harsh very harsh.................But true

[old sage]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21611064

 

 

This could be us at the end of the season if fans don't get off MA's back.

I find your comment embarrassing:blush:....Aaaahh where have I heard that one before????

[old sage]

The following is not necassarilly the view of the author but it could be said that.....

 

The big question concerning Adams is not "if he blows it from here" would anyone else employ him but rather if Port Vale do go up as a very limited manager Adams like much of the squad will out of his depth in league 1.....Sheffield United thought so when Adams got them relegated from a position of safety and was something of a joke in the Championship....also Brighton who went

so near to going up to the Championship with a great young team of homegrown talent then hired Adams who dismantled the team and made the usual load of rubbish signings and almost got them relegated before being sacked.

 

It is true that Martin O'Neil's established top ten multi-cup final Leicester did get relegated in shock at O'Neil's sudden departure and got themselves straight back up while Adams was nominally the manager however owing to a transfer embargo

not even Adams could muck that up with rubbish signings.

 

Both Fulham and Brighton were very very big clubs for the fourth division and must be considered

as an easy shortcut to having a bit of success on the old CV...both went up and got rid of the journeyman fourth division

manager immediately.

 

It is said that Coventry made Adams a millionaire and although now in league 1 at the time Coventry who had been in the top flight for an eternity expected to get straight back up.....Coventry not only had all the parachute payments but also a brand new stadium....they wasted three years with Micky Adams as manager.

 

Adams is a very limited manager poor on player development and poor on signings but mostly poor tactically in fact Adams only

real strength is as a fitness coach really....it says a lot that Adams seems somewhat scared of qualified coaching staff.

 

Adams career was over and Adams was working part-time at schools/college level before Port Vale saved his career....Adams it has been noted has since insulted the club and has applied for other jobs.

 

Coventry wasted years on Adams so have Port Vale.....years and years with a top six budget has produced Micky's mid-table magic....it was a shock that Wildes and Smurf would base plans for the club on such a poor lower league journerman of a manager.....then again perhaps they are just saying this because while Adams can get a club up to league 1 most clubs do not see Adams as anything but a journeyman manager who is limited but can do a job in the fourth division and really the fourth division and non-league is Adams level....in a sense the fourth division is the least footballing of all the leagues and football proper starts at league 1......the answer to the question can Adams cut it in league 1 has already been answered by Sheffield United and Fulham who thought not and Brighton who asked and found out that Adams is way out of his depth in league 1.

 

The above is just one possible view and wrong as Adams is one of the best managers in the known football world.

I was wondering where you had disappeared to BA. You have certainly come back in style.

I dont know what 'Super Valiant' will make of it (probably combust) but I agree with every word. Top Post from a good poster.

 

If MA was half as good as he and one or two on here think he is then he would be managing Barca.

[fairportnick]

Perhaps he'll think twice before ranting on P & g again.

[davidatpreston]

The following is not necassarilly the view of the author but it could be said that.....

 

The big question concerning Adams is not "if he blows it from here" would anyone else employ him but rather if Port Vale do go up as a very limited manager Adams like much of the squad will out of his depth in league 1.....Sheffield United thought so when Adams got them relegated from a position of safety and was something of a joke in the Championship....also Brighton who went

so near to going up to the Championship with a great young team of homegrown talent then hired Adams who dismantled the team and made the usual load of rubbish signings and almost got them relegated before being sacked.

 

It is true that Martin O'Neil's established top ten multi-cup final Leicester did get relegated in shock at O'Neil's sudden departure and got themselves straight back up while Adams was nominally the manager however owing to a transfer embargo

not even Adams could muck that up with rubbish signings.

 

Both Fulham and Brighton were very very big clubs for the fourth division and must be considered

as an easy shortcut to having a bit of success on the old CV...both went up and got rid of the journeyman fourth division

manager immediately.

 

It is said that Coventry made Adams a millionaire and although now in league 1 at the time Coventry who had been in the top flight for an eternity expected to get straight back up.....Coventry not only had all the parachute payments but also a brand new stadium....they wasted three years with Micky Adams as manager.

 

Adams is a very limited manager poor on player development and poor on signings but mostly poor tactically in fact Adams only

real strength is as a fitness coach really....it says a lot that Adams seems somewhat scared of qualified coaching staff.

 

Adams career was over and Adams was working part-time at schools/college level before Port Vale saved his career....Adams it has been noted has since insulted the club and has applied for other jobs.

 

Coventry wasted years on Adams so have Port Vale.....years and years with a top six budget has produced Micky's mid-table magic....it was a shock that Wildes and Smurf would base plans for the club on such a poor lower league journerman of a manager.....then again perhaps they are just saying this because while Adams can get a club up to league 1 most clubs do not see Adams as anything but a journeyman manager who is limited but can do a job in the fourth division and really the fourth division and non-league is Adams level....in a sense the fourth division is the least footballing of all the leagues and football proper starts at league 1......the answer to the question can Adams cut it in league 1 has already been answered by Sheffield United and Fulham who thought not and Brighton who asked and found out that Adams is way out of his depth in league 1.

 

The above is just one possible view and wrong as Adams is one of the best managers in the known football world.

 

Whoever wrote it, it's bitter, spiteful, highly opinionated, resentful and downright nasty. Unbalanced vitriol at its worst, with many inaccuracies. Everyone knows that when Adams was sacked at Fulham, it was because the new owner wanted a specific manager in, and he didn't deserve that treatment. Just one example, I won't bother with the rest.

Adams has his faults, he is outspoken and won't ever be a diplomat, and we all think we know better team selections or formations - but he is the best manager we have had for a long time and has done a superb job this season. His signings - Neal, Jones, Purse, MyrieWilliams, Vincent, in the summer/January have for the most part been tremendously successful and we are on the verge of promotion.

 

He deserves our support in finishing the job and this post is uncalled for, certainly at the present time.

 

If anyone at the club is reading this, especially MA or anyone that tells him what is on here, note that many, many of us do not agree with this nonsense and you have our support in completing the task ahead. Go for it Micky. The fans are WITH you.

[the old bycars tea bar]

BA's post makes you sit back and think a little, you could say that the truth hurts , but also that if micky had been really successful would he be here at all?

 

he has a lot to prove not only to us but to himself

 

My biggest worry regarding micky has always been the level above I have no doubt he is a good manager, motivator at this level

[cheshirevaliant]

Whoever wrote it, it's bitter, spiteful, highly opinionated, resentful and downright nasty. Unbalanced vitriol at its worst, with many inaccuracies. Everyone knows that when Adams was sacked at Fulham, it was because the new owner wanted a specific manager in, and he didn't deserve that treatment. Just one example, I won't bother with the rest.

Adams has his faults, he is outspoken and won't ever be a diplomat, and we all think we know better team selections or formations - but he is the best manager we have had for a long time and has done a superb job this season. His signings - Neal, Jones, Purse, MyrieWilliams, Vincent, in the summer/January have for the most part been tremendously successful and we are on the verge of promotion.

 

He deserves our support in finishing the job and this post is uncalled for, certainly at the present time.

 

If anyone at the club is reading this, especially MA or anyone that tells him what is on here, note that many, many of us do not agree with this nonsense and you have our support in completing the task ahead. Go for it Micky. The fans are WITH you.

 

I do not agree with all of BA's post, but there are certainly some very valid points in there. My view, for what it's worth, remains as it has since the day he joined. MA will take us up, given enough time (this season should be his last chance however, 4 years is long enough, even with all the background politics). If he is our manager in May next season however, we will be relegated. Good League 2 manager, no more.

[fairportnick]

, many of us do not agree with this nonsense and you have our support in completing the task ahead. Go for it Micky. The fans are WITH you.

 

The post has a positive thumbs up count as I write. Yours has a negative.

The attendance for the next home game compared to the last poor home game will tell you more.

[Lornelounger]

And would we be having this conversation at all had we beaten Exeter and Morecambe and were top of the league, and no one had booed the players off, and Mickey hadn't had his rant? Hmmmm....

Look at all the other managers in this league and find out how many have had the promotions Mickey has had, and then ask why he is where he is. He isn't perfect, but he is our manager, has us in second place, and put together a possible promotion winning team on the back of being in administration. Rather than question his record, we should be supporting his efforts to add to his CV another promotion, because he is doing it with our team. If he clears off having got us in to league 1, because he is out of his depth, I will wish him well and get behind the next manager who can take us on.

[the old bycars tea bar]

And would we be having this conversation at all had we beaten Exeter and Morecambe and were top of the league, and no one had booed the players off, and Mickey hadn't had his rant? Hmmmm....

Look at all the other managers in this league and find out how many have had the promotions Mickey has had, and then ask why he is where he is. He isn't perfect, but he is our manager, has us in second place, and put together a possible promotion winning team on the back of being in administration. Rather than question his record, we should be supporting his efforts to add to his CV another promotion, because he is doing it with our team. If he clears off having got us in to league 1, because he is out of his depth, I will wish him well and get behind the next manager who can take us on.

 

Agree with that

[Bycarsbill]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21611064

 

 

This could be us at the end of the season if fans don't get off MA's back.

 

Don't know where you get that conclusion from? MA isn't and never has been an 'interim' manager, so the situation just isn't comparable. The vast majority of fans for most of the time are very positive about MA, but he must understand the fans' desire to achieve promotion and that the anxiety and frustration expressed after recent home games has been as a result of the ineptitude shown by the team in the two most recent defeats against Morecombe & Exeter. Paying fans will always have the right to express an opinion about the manager's team selection and the team's performance and MA (and any other manager for that matter) should pay heed.

[SuperValiant1876]

The following is not necassarilly the view of the author but it could be said that.....

 

The big question concerning Adams is not "if he blows it from here" would anyone else employ him but rather if Port Vale do go up as a very limited manager Adams like much of the squad will out of his depth in league 1.....Sheffield United thought so when Adams got them relegated from a position of safety and was something of a joke in the Championship....also Brighton who went

so near to going up to the Championship with a great young team of homegrown talent then hired Adams who dismantled the team and made the usual load of rubbish signings and almost got them relegated before being sacked.

 

It is true that Martin O'Neil's established top ten multi-cup final Leicester did get relegated in shock at O'Neil's sudden departure and got themselves straight back up while Adams was nominally the manager however owing to a transfer embargo

not even Adams could muck that up with rubbish signings.

 

Both Fulham and Brighton were very very big clubs for the fourth division and must be considered

as an easy shortcut to having a bit of success on the old CV...both went up and got rid of the journeyman fourth division

manager immediately.

 

It is said that Coventry made Adams a millionaire and although now in league 1 at the time Coventry who had been in the top flight for an eternity expected to get straight back up.....Coventry not only had all the parachute payments but also a brand new stadium....they wasted three years with Micky Adams as manager.

 

Adams is a very limited manager poor on player development and poor on signings but mostly poor tactically in fact Adams only

real strength is as a fitness coach really....it says a lot that Adams seems somewhat scared of qualified coaching staff.

 

Adams career was over and Adams was working part-time at schools/college level before Port Vale saved his career....Adams it has been noted has since insulted the club and has applied for other jobs.

 

Coventry wasted years on Adams so have Port Vale.....years and years with a top six budget has produced Micky's mid-table magic....it was a shock that Wildes and Smurf would base plans for the club on such a poor lower league journerman of a manager.....then again perhaps they are just saying this because while Adams can get a club up to league 1 most clubs do not see Adams as anything but a journeyman manager who is limited but can do a job in the fourth division and really the fourth division and non-league is Adams level....in a sense the fourth division is the least footballing of all the leagues and football proper starts at league 1......the answer to the question can Adams cut it in league 1 has already been answered by Sheffield United and Fulham who thought not and Brighton who asked and found out that Adams is way out of his depth in league 1.

 

The above is just one possible view and wrong as Adams is one of the best managers in the known football world.

 

http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/league-championship/2010-2011/table/2010-12-29 That wouldn't suggest the position of safety as you mentioned for Sheff UTd. Wasn't Micky also the 3rd manager for them that season, hardly a stable club and at the time their fans believed they would go down as well.

 

You say Vale have wasted years on Adams with a top 6 budget. So Adams' hands were not tied under V2001? Let me ask you this. Wildes mentioned recently adams had one of the smallest budgets in the league this year. Is Wildes a liar? Has Adams not exceeded all expectation this season so far?

 

Are you really the kind of fan Port Vale need? A "fan" who belittles our own managers achievements after a bad month or so? I suggest you **** off to Stoke.

 

 

 

Basically, this is for all the Adams knockers. If you can't appreciate what he has done this season for us and stand up and give credit where it is due you do not deserve the promotion he is soon to dish up for us all. Bunch of moaning *****.

[davidatpreston]

The post has a positive thumbs up count as I write. Yours has a negative.

The attendance for the next home game compared to the last poor home game will tell you more.

 

Nick, I respect your opinion, and agree you have every right to disgaree with my sentiments. I don't think an early indication of the thumbs up and down system on here is truly reflective - it could change anyway. Micky Adams made a big mistake by talking about 'fans' rather than simply saying 'a small number of fans', and has in the past got annoyed with OVF itself when it was a few posts on OVF - big difference. Like many intense people, he has strong opinions and seems to speak without thinking sometimes, and it seems a great pity to me that he has seemingly alienated you and and number of others who want the best for Vale.

 

As for gates, tuesdays are always bad and you only have to look at the other games to see we were not the only tam to suffer. Burton, with 8 home wins in a row, barely scraped 2000 in, and Gillingham didnt manage 5000 either when they have had 8000 or more sometimes. People haven't the money, and maybe some who had a weekend in Torquay had to sacrifice going to this game - I know we have a number of fans who really prefer away games.

 

You are right though that our home performances have been pitiful in some games, and that will not get punters through the gates. It's a fact of life in this division that playing away brings better results for some teams, notably the three I expect to go up - Gillingham, Vale and Rotherham, and Exeter who will surely be in the play-offs.

 

Let's see what team selection Micky comes up with at Oxford and against Bradford - Like you, I would like to see Dodds in the mix and maybe Williamson if fit, with Andrew either on the bench or not in the squad - but whatever team is selected, I will support it because we wanted Micky back and he is manager so gets my full support and backing for quite a bit longer. Short of losing 3 or 4 games in a row, our overall recent results are still good- in the last 12 matches, we have won 7, drawn 2 and lost 3.

I suspect Dodds will be back in the team - he was recalled after the 3 defeats against Sheff United, Bradford (JPT) and Chesterfield in early December and we then drew at Cheltenham with Dodds scoring and won at Rotherham and Dagenham to reignite the promotion charge. It can be repeated.

[cheshirevaliant]

Basically, this is for all the Adams knockers. If you can't appreciate what he has done this season for us and stand up and give credit where it is due you do not deserve the promotion he is soon to dish up for us all. Bunch of moaning *****.

 

Does it balance up against walking out on us 2 years ago?

[Aussie Rules]

Does it balance up against walking out on us 2 years ago?

 

Water under the bridge Bon Ami - water under the bridge