Shrewsbury (H) match thread - 9th March

[Paul6754]

1 minute ago, PVFC764 said:

Most fans only want Fraudcroft gone, but the longer Carol comes out and says he is brilliant, they will all turn on her.

What do you expect, her come out and undermine him. Carol will have more idea than the fans of why the recruitment has been poor, it may not be all on Flitcroft and I'm not standing up for Flitcroft in any way.  But the Fans wanting Carol out just to get Flitcroft out is PVFC shooting itself in the foot. 

It was only 2 years ago when fans were screaming "trust the process" and Carol/Flitcroft got us promoted,  I anticipate even hope Flitcroft will be gone by the end of June just for a fresh start but Carol has to stay even if he doesn't go.

[CAVALIER]

6 minutes ago, Black N White said:

I’m not stepping foot in Vale park till Carol has gone! 

You won't be missec

[werstayinup]

2 hours ago, JS Valiant said:

I tell what DM can do is talk a load of *******
He certainly can’t coach or motivate players.

Crosby certainly got more out of this set of crap than Moore and his marvellous back room team.

The Whole Club are taking the Fans for granted.

The Owner is taking the ****

He seemed to motivate those at Doncaster,West Brom and Sheff Wed ... i agree struggled at Huddersfield

Who was your choice of manager??

[Packmoor_vale]

I’m not quoting u both 

Obviously he is getting paid I’m not daft 

I’m saying where is it that he is under contract? 

[Killersrevenge44]

14 minutes ago, Paul6754 said:

The problem is the players on the pitch are not good enough.

Carol employs Flitcroft to get the players on the pitch and the product right but for what ever reasons it's gone wrong.

 If you want the club plunged into more chaos and likely out of the Football league then call or keep calling for the Shanahans to go, such a sentiment is gathering traction on OVF but IMHO it would be a disaster.

 

In what direction are the club heading now? You don't go full speed ahead to an iceberg to avoid it

[Valiiant]

17 minutes ago, werstayinup said:

Only my opinion but 1/2 of that is a silly comment,we were relegated imo a long time ago(before DM came in),I totally agree with the callers on the radio today that you cant blame Moore or Carol(thats the silly half),the one and only person to blame is the man responsible for the footballing side FLITCROFT no experience at all as a DOF but blagged it and is slowly ruining us,surely Carol will start to see this soon(i know its to late now) BUT Carol please get rid of him and let DM build HIS OWN team to try and challenge to come straight back up next season,we were told from that meeting you have faith in him so back him and let him do it.

Totally deflated tonight but me and my lad will still be there next season I really hope that Flitcroft isn't

 

But Flitcroft didn't employ himself. He fed Carol a load of crap, she swallowed it, and she continues to do so. That's entirely on her. I have little doubt she wants to do good for the club, and also for herself, but her decision making in recent times leaves a lot to be desired.

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It’s not so much the terrible playing, it’s the attitude that gets to me more. They do not give a damn.

[Packmoor_vale]

1 minute ago, werstayinup said:

He seemed to motivate those at Doncaster,West Brom and Sheff Wed ... i agree struggled at Huddersfield

Who was your choice of manager??

Should of had nath jones he would of nee a great fit for us 

[Killersrevenge44]

Just now, Packmoor_vale said:

I’m not quoting u both 

Obviously he is getting paid I’m not daft 

I’m saying where is it that he is under contract? 

Paid for what😢

[DaneValiant]

All you naysayers just have to remember who brought in Gore from Man U and Williams from Liverpool. They’re massive clubs - how did Flitcroft pull off such deals? We may not have won in 2024, but you need to take the rough with the smooth

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1 minute ago, werstayinup said:

He seemed to motivate those at Doncaster,West Brom and Sheff Wed ... i agree struggled at Huddersfield

Who was your choice of manager??

The majority wanted him, most were surprised and happy when he joined. I remain that way but he can’t do anything with this shower.

[Tamworth]

2 minutes ago, Lornelounger said:

I hope this is how it plays out in terms of Flitcroft's departure.  He simply has to go, by one means or another. 

 

I agree but It's all down to whether Carol has modified her opnion of him or not. She's going to have to eat a large slice of humble pie to do that. Clearly our Owner has enoyed a lot of no doubt well deserved success recently with her business and charity work, and it must be very hard to accept that Vale hasn't been a similar success.

[Playa Amodores]

1 minute ago, Packmoor_vale said:

I’m not quoting u both 

Obviously he is getting paid I’m not daft 

I’m saying where is it that he is under contract? 

No one goes into any football job without a contract as it’ll protect both parties. Probably got an agent as well

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Gore is obviously looking to preserve his rep at this point. We won’t see him again.

[Lornelounger]

12 hours ago, philmpv said:

12 hours ago, Lornelounger said:

I think Flitcroft will leave for the following reasons:
1 - using the criteria of the targets he had to hit like Carol did a while back, he has failed abysmally to provide the last 2 managers with players to keep us up.  That's the most important criteria for me - the other criteria Carol said he had hit were nice, but we are a football club when push comes to shove.  And he is in charge of all things on the pitch. An that's been shockingly bad.
2 - That fact will hurt him professionally. He has to look Darren Moore in the eye most days, and that won't feel good. He has to explain his failure to Carol (and despite some of the pathetic comments on here about the relationship between Carol and Flitcroft, she will see that he has failed - and you can't just big him up with the successes he has had without pointing out the most caring, expensive failure - relegation) ).
3 - So I think he will resign, because he has just had the relegation of the club laid fairly and squarely at his door.  I'm assuming he has integrity here, and is ultimately doing his best, but given the budget he has to work with, his best just hasn't cut it.  He can make a statement to say "thanks for the promotion, and sorry about the two dire seasons in League 1 - good luck"
4 - if he doesn't resign, he will have to be dismissed, which will hurt him more - so I think he will jump before he is pushed. It gives the club a convenient way of lumping a lot of the blame his way, and starting afresh (which gets a few people off the hook temporarily).  The players have to have a look at themselves too, but I'm assuming a lot will leave this summer.
5 -  Darren Moore will then be free to do things his way.  He took the job on with a DoF who has failed to provide us with the bullets to fire, and I am sure he is champing at the bit to get hold of the club, get in his own players, and get us playing better football again.  He didn't sign 5.5 years to be a failure.  I wouldn't even be surprised that relegation was always on his mind, and the events of the last few weeks have just confirmed that he has inherited a shitshow not of his making. He will be keen to start afresh without Flitcroft.
I hope this is how it plays out in terms of Flitcroft's departure.  He simply has to go, by one means or another. 

I admire your optimism re DM but I've seen nothing to suggest he's the great manager many have made him out to be. Even DC managed to take stock of and then organise and galvanise the worst Vale squad in 20 years into an effective unit to achieve what was needed

I don't think he's a great manager, but I think he's a much better manager than he's being allowed to show at present.  DC had better players to work with in terms of their willingness to fight.  That's what saddens me most about the present situation - the lack of fight.  There's only so much Moore can do with what he's got, so I've written off this season as relegation with a poor squad, and I'm waiting to see what he can do next season, when the script will be his own.  No point slagging him off over his press conferences.  He has to stay loyal to these players and come up with the usual banalities because he can't say what he really thinks.  But I think we all know what he really thinks.  And it isn't pretty.

Edited March 10 by Lornelounger