Brexit again...

[ginge]

Some good news: Tommy Robinson is off back to prison 

[geosname]

Being serious......

The EU wants us to stay in, I doubt it's for friendship reasons or the "one for all, all for one" jingoism.

1 is for the contribution payments we make, especially as it will increase their own contributions to balance the budget.

2 if we leave others may follow so they have no interest in making it a simple negotiated process... the more destructive the process seems the better for them, especially if that chaos is centered and spotlighted on the UK .

The trade consequences are not such a big concern because they could, if they chose to, negotiate a deal beneficial to both....... which they have refused to even talk about until after we have left.

Things could have been done on both sides to ease the transition... nothing has been done by either.

[geosname]

Continuing on the theme of being serious.....

There appeared to be a big hoo haa about the brexit party turning their backs at the playing of the EU anthem.... if Tesco dictated you should stop and face north whenever they played a particular tune..... would you do it?

It's not a national anthem... the EU,  whatever it may desire is not a nation or country.

It seems less attention was given to a group of people breaking dress code with bo**ocks on their shirts.

On another point....... as much as I dislike Boris he did not have multiple meetings with bannon, this accusation was brought about apparently by a journalist mistranscribing an audio tape...  he met him once in his official capacity when bannon was an advisor at the white house... the back and forth was a series of texts in an attempt to arrange another meeting.... which never took place.

[Paul6754]

6 hours ago, Regal Beagle said:

I don't doubt it but they were promising to reduce immigration in 2010 so I'm not sure why you are blaming brexit?

You'll have to explain why "Doesn't mean it wasn't a lie" is "proof why it was a lie".

The High Court have published their reasons now for chucking the case in the bin, where it belongs. They slate the district judge who found that there was a case to answer at first. They also say that if the claim had been £350m Gross or £250m Net then there would not have been a complaint in the first place.

That's quite clear evidence that he did not lie. The £350m figure was a gross amount, Boris had called it gross figure in other TV interviews by the way, and the statement "We send £350m to the NHS" is actually factual if you interpret it as a gross figure.

So yeah. The bus isn't a lie, like I've been saying for 3 years, and the high court backs me up.

 

In fact the judgement goes further, it turns out the chap who crowdfunded and made the complaint had plotted this publically for years and it was obviously politically motivated. Not only that but he admitted to deleting much of his social media posts on the subject prior to September 2018. The judgement made clear that although they don't need to say this, they would have also quashed the original decision of the district judge on the grounds that it was a vexatious prosecution.

 

www.judiciary.uk if you want to read it for yourself 😂

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/18/boris-johnson-350-million-claim-bogus-foreign-secretary

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-result-nigel-farage-nhs-pledge-disowns-350-million-pounds-a7099906.html

Even Johnson admitted it was a lie and even Farage back tracked on it.

The reason the High Court gave for quashing the court summons was that "False statements in political campaigns are not new" so basically he did lie, pathetic on both counts IMHO.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-court-latest-brexit-lies-high-court-end-tory-leadership-contest-a8985876.html

 

[Paul6754]

On 7/4/2019 at 3:55 PM, Regal Beagle said:

Easy

The most accurate poll currently

See no reply on your assertion that there is still a majority of UK people who want to Leave the EU when 11 of the last 12 polls show the trend now is for more people wish to Remain in the EU and by larger margins than the June 2016 Referendum but I guess this doesn't suit your rhetoric.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-a-second-eu-referendum-were-held-today-how-would-you-vote/

[Regal Beagle]

4 hours ago, Paul6754 said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/18/boris-johnson-350-million-claim-bogus-foreign-secretary

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-result-nigel-farage-nhs-pledge-disowns-350-million-pounds-a7099906.html

Even Johnson admitted it was a lie and even Farage back tracked on it.

The reason the High Court gave for quashing the court summons was that "False statements in political campaigns are not new" so basically he did lie, pathetic on both counts IMHO.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-court-latest-brexit-lies-high-court-end-tory-leadership-contest-a8985876.html

 

You are wrong. The reasons I've outlined above are taken directly from the reason behind the decision published by the High Court judges that made the decision. It's available on the official judiciary website I helpfully posted above.

Did Johnson admit it was a lie? The only thing I can see in your link is that he "admitted" it wasn't a net figure. I've posted a video of him doing that. It was a gross figure according to Boris.

100% not a lie, evidence is crystal clear.

[Regal Beagle]

3 hours ago, Paul6754 said:

See no reply on your assertion that there is still a majority of UK people who want to Leave the EU when 11 of the last 12 polls show the trend now is for more people wish to Remain in the EU and by larger margins than the June 2016 Referendum but I guess this doesn't suit your rhetoric. 

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-a-second-eu-referendum-were-held-today-how-would-you-vote/

Paul, I've won that one. In the only poll that matters, more Britons voted for leave than have ever voted for anything else in the history of this country.

It is the biggest and greatest political mandate ever given to the UK Government.

This dodgy polls that are almost always wrong don't matter one little bit.

[philpvfc]

12 hours ago, Regal Beagle said:

I just don't get the "logical" leap from Leave winning the referendum to..We'd best stay because we didn't pre determine how we would leave.

Literally makes no sense. The options available before the referendum are still available now. The only thing that has changed is that we've tried for a second time to negotiate with the EU and for a second time they've mugged us off.

A second referendum on HOW we leave would be pointless but at least I could understand the logic a bit more. Any second referendum with remain as an option is surely just an attempt to reverse the result however you dress it up?

Poland has a big immigration problem hence why there has been a big swing to the far right movement and the EU are perusing legal proceedings against Hungary for their immigration policies. 

[philpvfc]

5 hours ago, geosname said:

Continuing on the theme of being serious.....

There appeared to be a big hoo haa about the brexit party turning their backs at the playing of the EU anthem.... if Tesco dictated you should stop and face north whenever they played a particular tune..... would you do it?

It's not a national anthem... the EU,  whatever it may desire is not a nation or country.

It seems less attention was given to a group of people breaking dress code with bo**ocks on their shirts.

On another point....... as much as I dislike Boris he did not have multiple meetings with bannon, this accusation was brought about apparently by a journalist mistranscribing an audio tape...  he met him once in his official capacity when bannon was an advisor at the white house... the back and forth was a series of texts in an attempt to arrange another meeting.... which never took place.

The incident has been met with content by the same people who applauded those who chose to kneel or turn their backs to the American anthem. 

Plus as you mention, this was not a national anthem, I didn’t even know the EU had its own anthem.

[philpvfc]

5 hours ago, Paul6754 said:

See no reply on your assertion that there is still a majority of UK people who want to Leave the EU when 11 of the last 12 polls show the trend now is for more people wish to Remain in the EU and by larger margins than the June 2016 Referendum but I guess this doesn't suit your rhetoric.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-a-second-eu-referendum-were-held-today-how-would-you-vote/

The polls showed the public wanted to remain in the run up to the referendum. 

[For Us All]

5 hours ago, Paul6754 said:

See no reply on your assertion that there is still a majority of UK people who want to Leave the EU when 11 of the last 12 polls show the trend now is for more people wish to Remain in the EU and by larger margins than the June 2016 Referendum but I guess this doesn't suit your rhetoric.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-a-second-eu-referendum-were-held-today-how-would-you-vote/

Was that before or after the latest appointments to the EU Council?

 

[geosname]

7 hours ago, Paul6754 said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/18/boris-johnson-350-million-claim-bogus-foreign-secretary

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-result-nigel-farage-nhs-pledge-disowns-350-million-pounds-a7099906.html

Even Johnson admitted it was a lie and even Farage back tracked on it.

The reason the High Court gave for quashing the court summons was that "False statements in political campaigns are not new" so basically he did lie, pathetic on both counts IMHO.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-court-latest-brexit-lies-high-court-end-tory-leadership-contest-a8985876.html

 

According to the judge the figures were correct as gross and net figures and it should have been thrown out by the lower court...... apparently

[geosname]

1 hour ago, philpvfc said:

The incident has been met with content by the same people who applauded those who chose to kneel or turn their backs to the American anthem. 

Plus as you mention, this was not a national anthem, I didn’t even know the EU had its own anthem.

Apparently they have embassies too....... delusions of grandeur? 

[geosname]

7 hours ago, Paul6754 said:

See no reply on your assertion that there is still a majority of UK people who want to Leave the EU when 11 of the last 12 polls show the trend now is for more people wish to Remain in the EU and by larger margins than the June 2016 Referendum but I guess this doesn't suit your rhetoric.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-a-second-eu-referendum-were-held-today-how-would-you-vote/

So..... no need for elections or referendum...... just make a few phone calls, whip up a poll or two....... saves the country a fortune.

[Regal Beagle]

6 minutes ago, geosname said:

So..... no need for elections or referendum...... just make a few phone calls, whip up a poll or two....... saves the country a fortune. 

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/moray/1789540/swedish-woman-blames-brexit-for-car-accident/

To be fair, I might change my mind now. I did not see Brexit causing such stress that Swedish people would start drink driving.

It's time to remain.