Brexit again...

[Regal Beagle]

22 minutes ago, EricHamesis said:

They don't.

They just want to avoid it at the cost of a No Deal Brexit.

And would you agree that the only way that they can guarantee avoiding a no deal brexit is to win a general election?

[mr.hobblesworth]

You're being completely disingenuous. The earliest that a GE could happen now is 5th November, by which time we'd have left the EU. You are well aware of this, as is the rest fo the tory party and the media so why you persist with this line of questioning is bizarre. As Corbyn said last night, get an extension and then we can have an election.

[Regal Beagle]

4 minutes ago, mr.hobblesworth said:

You're being completely disingenuous. The earliest that a GE could happen now is 5th November, by which time we'd have left the EU. You are well aware of this, as is the rest fo the tory party and the media so why you persist with this line of questioning is bizarre. As Corbyn said last night, get an extension and then we can have an election.

So why didn't they want a general election last week or the week before, when one was offered?

 

[mr.hobblesworth]

You bloody well know why. Boris Johnson can't be trusted to not use a general election to force a default no deal. As soon as no-deal is off the table, as Corbyn has said repeatedly, we can have our election. If Johnson wants to get an extension now, we can call an election as soon as that's done, otherwise it will have to wait. It's pretty atrocious that none of the opposition parties can trust the prime minister whatsoever on this.

[Regal Beagle]

I do know why. They know they can't win.

It has nothing to do with no deal or delaying brexit it at all. The whole thing is about stopping brexit.

[mr.hobblesworth]

So why has Corbyn said that he'll go for an election once there's an extension or no risk of no-deal?

[Regal Beagle]

Doubling down on a delay is his only hand to play.

He's had plenty of time to arrange a vote of no confidence but he hasn't done so, why?

 

If he agrees to an election now, the tories are polling much more favourably, none of the faux scandal stories are affecting Boris' reputation, much the same as they bounce off of Trump in the states and there is a significant chance that brexit will have a majority in Parliament.

There's no way Boris will bait and switch an election just to sneak no deal through - he doesn't need to and doing something like that would seriously go against him in the publics mind. That is an excuse to avoid losing an election in my opinion.

 

There is no way you can eliminate the risk of no deal without winning an election. 

 

[mr.hobblesworth]

3 minutes ago, Regal Beagle said:

There's no way Boris will bait and switch an election just to sneak no deal through - he doesn't need to and doing something like that would seriously go against him in the publics mind.

lol

 

I'm pretty sure we'll have an election (at least called) by the end of the year. And then we'll see. Labour are definitely preparing for one. We've got canvassing training sessions lined up this weekend.

[Regal Beagle]

Just now, mr.hobblesworth said:

lol

 

I'm pretty sure we'll have an election (at least called) by the end of the year. And then we'll see. Labour are definitely preparing for one. We've got canvassing training sessions lined up this weekend.

Nice and constructive start. 

 

 

Anyway, I forgot to post this the other day:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/sep/24/no-evidence-leave-eu-and-arron-banks-broke-law-says-agency-brexit

 

Are any of you big enough to admit you got this one wrong?

[mr.hobblesworth]

27 minutes ago, Regal Beagle said:

Nice and constructive start. 

I genuinely thought you were taking the p. 

[Regal Beagle]

Why dont you explain which part? 

 

Lol.

[EricHamesis]

3 hours ago, Regal Beagle said:

And would you agree that the only way that they can guarantee avoiding a no deal brexit is to win a general election?

No.

If a general election were called now we could leave with no deal before the election had even taken place.

If Johnson wants an election he could ask for a Brexit extension as requested. An election could then be quickly under way. And if he won he could force no deal any time he wanted.

[geosname]

9 hours ago, Fosse69 said:

If you are trying to buy a house and cant get a deal it is back to the status quo. A matter of explaining to the electorate that although a narrow majority voted to leave, it was not practical due to unforeseen circumstances.  We carry on with the status quo and review in 10 years time, not dismissing the vote just giving it more consideration. 10 years is nothing in the life of a nation.

I enjoy your "old world" reasoning mate, when a well articulated reasoned argument and explanation would quell the blood lust of the baying mob..... if only mate... if only.

It reminds me of bygone times.... before Twitter and other media outlets, when angers were calmed by simple face to face contact and actual verbal communication.

Back to the house analogy........ if you bought the house and found out it had rising damp, dry rot and structural defects after the purchase what would be the status quo?

As the remainer you understandably want your money back.. the leaver (seller) says you can't have it (quite rightly)..... the surveyor, who represented your interests and who you paid, the person in the know, the person who should have had all the facts before submitting his report the mortgagor relyed on.......... would be responsible?

If the "person in the know" approached the seller (leaver) and asked for the return of the money what would be the reply?

If the same person in the know approached you (remainer) and said " I screwed up will you suck it up" what would be the reply?

Neither the buyer or seller did anything wrong...... neither should bear the burden of the screw up of the person in the know.

[geosname]

The obvious solution to "The house problem" is to offer both the buyer and seller what they want...... seller keeps your money...... buyer get recompense for the loss.... person in the know gets shot, in the employment sense, perhaps that should be fired., and never works as a person in the know again.

Sadly there is no financial settlement available in the brexit situation..... although the third segment is tempting.

[geosname]

As I suggested previously, which is totally underhand, sneaky etc.

Agree an official leave day (31st October?) with EU agreement that there is a 10 day grace period to cancel leaving and maintain membership.... call a confirmation referendum (1st November?)...... go with the result of the second referendum.

Everyone gets and loses a portion of what they want..... it's decided by the people not party polotics..... it even gets politicians off the hook to some extent.... more importantly it honours the result of the first referendum  (to some extent)

I'm not suggesting it's likely... to many moving parts to throw a spanner into.... to many palms to grease etc.... and it wouldn't calm the hard liners of either side.... but it could swell the center ground enough to reclaim sanity.

Just a thought.