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[Bea Smith]

To look at this from a slightly different angle, the USA has been using terrorism and torture extensively (as have the UK a bit longer ago) - just that Nixon, Reagan, Bush and many other presidenst often used proxy forces to do it for them and try to hide it from their public.

 

Pinochet in Chile, brought to power by US special forces in a coup that overturned a democratically elected government, tortured and murdered tens of thousands, as did the lovable General Galtieri and his mob in Argentina -supported and taught by the US.

 

Reagan decived his own government, lioed to his people and Congfres and Senate to fund the Contras and they were instructed to bomb schools and health centres in Nicaragua, murdering and torturing civilians using Nazi tactics.

 

Clinton and NATO used cluster bombs on civilians in Serbian cities in order to set up an Islamic state in Kosovo.

 

The film State of Siege is a marvellous political thriller telling the story of how the US turned a country called the 'Switzerland of South America' - Uruguay - into a fascist state that routinely tortured opponents like its own students.

 

The film shows how CIA advisors came and instructed Uruguay police in electric shock torture, and how one of them was captured. The capturers then had the dilemma of whther to execute him, having been non-violent before. A wonderful film which you must watch, by director Costa Gavras.

 

Mass bombing of cities is little different from torture - I'm not judging, but it is laughable to criticise the Russians for moderate bombing of Aleppo after what the US did in dozens of countries to civilian targets.

 

If anything,, Trump is being too honest, but for the wrong reasons as usual with the man, he's whipping up populist hysteria. Time will tell if he is very clever manipulator, or a dangerous naïve megelomaniac, maybe both ? Let's hope we all have enough time to see.

[geosname]

I read somewhere that to defeat an enemy you have to either give him what he wants or convince him you will take away everything he holds dear... or words to that effect

[Yukon]

there are people on this forum who when being knifed repeatedly by some screaming savage would still at the point of death be desperately looking for his good points.

 

Who would you describe a s savage, and for that matter who would you bury in pig fat and why? If you're going to make these statements, have the courage to back them up.

[JOHNNYAITCH]

there are people on this forum who when being knifed repeatedly by some screaming savage would still at the point of death be desperately looking for his good points.

 

Can you name one? I can't.

[JOHNNYAITCH]

Who would you describe a s savage, and for that matter who would you bury in pig fat and why? If you're going to make these statements, have the courage to back them up.

 

I think it's fair to describe someone who is screaming at you whilst stabbing you repeatedly as a saveage person..doesn't matter what their background etc is or why they are doing it..it's savage behaviour

[jimbo57]

Who would you describe a s savage, and for that matter who would you bury in pig fat and why? If you're going to make these statements, have the courage to back them up.

 

how about those who brutally murdered thousands of innocent people, and especialy the Yazidis and inprisoned their women as sex slaves & burnt turkish soldiers alive in a metal cage? Amongst many other disgusting crimes against humanity.

Id call them savage and happily bury them in pig fat.

[FATBOYSTEVE]

there are people on this forum who when being knifed repeatedly by some screaming savage would still at the point of death be desperately looking for his good points.

 

Absolutely spot on the money

[Yukon]

how about those who brutally murdered thousands of innocent people, and especialy the Yazidis and inprisoned their women as sex slaves & burnt turkish soldiers alive in a metal cage? Amongst many other disgusting crimes against humanity.

Id call them savage and happily bury them in pig fat.

 

How are you better then? Repulsive behviour- thank god the western world isn't run by people like you

[JOHNNYAITCH]

Absolutely spot on the money

 

Still no one has managed to name one of these people. I still can't

[Fosse69]

Still no one has managed to name one of these people. I still can't

Would have to be not afraid of death, a belief that there is a better life beyond it, a belief that a non-believer can still be saved. Perhaps a saint? Difficult to spot by just reading threads?

[JOHNNYAITCH]

I don't get you

 

I was responding to Bookworm's post "there are people on this forum who when being knifed repeatedly by some screaming savage would still at the point of death be desperately looking for his good points."

 

No one seems able to name any of these people on this forum who etc etc

[Fosse69]

I don't get you

 

I was responding to Bookworm's post "there are people on this forum who when being knifed repeatedly by some screaming savage would still at the point of death be desperately looking for his good points."

 

No one seems able to name any of these people on this forum who etc etc

I was trying to classify the characteristics of these mysterious people that nobody can name, or is only Bookworm who knows them?

[sandbach_valiant]

Id call them savage and happily bury them in pig fat.

 

Following that logic, an act of 'savagery' in response to another act of 'savagery' would serve to make you a 'savage' and, therefore, liable to suffer acts of 'savagery' from others.

 

Vicious acts of violence only breed further vicious acts of violence.

 

As an example, the physical, emotional and sexual torture meted out by the American and allied forces in Iraq and in blacksites across the world were 'savage' acts, widely acknowledged by the Americans themselves to have garnered no real advantage and which only served to inspire others to despise and attack their military and their state.

 

As a disclaimer, I would also stress that identifying cause and effect in no way constitutes an appeasement/acceptance of any 'savage' acts or those that perpetrate them.

[jimbo57]

How are you better then? Repulsive behviour- thank god the western world isn't run by people like you

 

 

better because its stopped them murdering and torturing any more innocent victims.

That's repulsive? no, it's retaliation.

[jimbo57]

Following that logic, an act of 'savagery' in response to another act of 'savagery' would serve to make you a 'savage' and, therefore, liable to suffer acts of 'savagery' from others.

 

Vicious acts of violence only breed further vicious acts of violence.

 

As an example, the physical, emotional and sexual torture meted out by the American and allied forces in Iraq and in blacksites across the world were 'savage' acts, widely acknowledged by the Americans themselves to have garnered no real advantage and which only served to inspire others to despise and attack their military and their state.

 

As a disclaimer, I would also stress that identifying cause and effect in no way constitutes an appeasement/acceptance of any 'savage' acts or those that perpetrate them.

 

so when Hitler invaded Poland, bombed civilians, exterminated millions (a savage act), were the allies not right to reply in kind with another savage act? or wud you have prefered to wave the white flag in case your actions were deemed a savage act?