Away supporters

[melv]

Facilities are not an advantage of having Vale fans in the Hamil End, that doesn't make sense.

 

There is no access at the far end of the Normid car park, in fact there is a compound containing the office unit and a car park meaning the away fans would be sent through the home fans.

 

Basically, your argument has no legs

 

The facilities in the Hamil are much better than Bycars so are an advantage.

 

Burnley coaches managed to get access on Tuesday night.The same fencing that has been put up across the Hamil road car park could have been used to make some sort of compound.Then just the same as happen's at other grounds when all the coaches are full they are then all escorted out together,traffic is stopped to let them all get out.Plus it should help in cutting police costs.

[onestepatatime]

Over all the years i have been going the vale i have been in every part of vale park started at hamil end moved to railway and lorne street both sides and then moved on bycars with the tea bar. Even stood on the bycars when they took the roof off the stand but by far my better days were at the hamil how many clubs in the league have the home fans in the worst stand on the ground.I know im wishing for the impossible but i yearn to go back where i started to support my club its got to be the hamil for me.

 

 

I, too started my Vale life off standing in all weathers in the open Hamil end. What memories!! I eventually went to both the Railway stand and the open Lorne street terracing. All have their pros and cons and each football fan will swear he has the best place in the ground, wherever he/she is!

 

I'm now comfortable in the Lorne Street stand where facilities are some of the best, i.e. toilets, catering view etc, etc. although again some would suggest otherwise. I maybe one day will try and afford a seat upstairs in the boxes but at present the finances dictate that's not on.

 

My heart and my head have ALWAYS said that Vale fans should occupy the Hamil end particularly as there are few and far between away fans at some of our games! I sympathise with those stalwarts who "suggest" they would never move and I understand police objections at present BUT surely in this day and age Vale can move on and make the ground more accessible to those that want to go into Hamil End?

 

In view of this reoccurring theme is it not time for ALL parties to get round a table and air views etc so it can be decided IF it's at all feasible to change matters at Vale Park? OK, some building works may have to be undertaken but other Clubs, even Premier Clubs(WBA for example) allow home fans and away fans in the same stand. Why are Vale different?

[Yukon]

The facilities in the Hamil are much better than Bycars so are an advantage.

 

Burnley coaches managed to get access on Tuesday night.The same fencing that has been put up across the Hamil road car park could have been used to make some sort of compound.Then just the same as happen's at other grounds when all the coaches are full they are then all escorted out together,traffic is stopped to let them all get out.

 

You're grabbing at straws, it makes zero logistical, practical or financial sense to change the current arrangement!

[Ben]

Over all the years i have been going the vale i have been in every part of vale park started at hamil end moved to railway and lorne street both sides and then moved on bycars with the tea bar. Even stood on the bycars when they took the roof off the stand but by far my better days were at the hamil how many clubs in the league have the home fans in the worst stand on the ground.I know im wishing for the impossible but i yearn to go back where i started to support my club its got to be the hamil for me.

 

Good job any of the stands you have been in havent got a wall with a big drop on one side:laugh:

[Twitters]

No idea. But that wall would not be needed if we can park away fans on Co-op car park and ge them in the bycars. Probably less hassle for police as well. And it needs to be done at some point.

 

Norman wants incentives for fans to come to games. I was a bycars regular in the 90s and it was rocking, however it hasnt evolved with the years and as a home stand is pretty awful. Especially for one to generate noise behind the goal.

The Hamil End would give the ground a fresh atmosphere should it be given to home supporters.

 

The Co-op have said no-one will be allowed to park on there until the sale of the land is completed. Once that's been done any decision would need to be discussed between the new owners and the club.

[robf]

Facilities are not an advantage of having Vale fans in the Hamil End, that doesn't make sense.

 

There is no access at the far end of the Normid car park, in fact there is a compound containing the office unit and a car park meaning the away fans would be sent through the home fans.

 

Basically, your argument has no legs

 

I'm not arguing for the away fans to stay in one of the best stands in the ground - I'm just thinking about the argument the police would put up.

 

I think the access (or not) from the Co-Op car park to Bycars would be the main factor but there are a few other factors too.

 

1. The Police Control box is set to overlook the away stand

2. The Hamil is separate from other stands (I reckon the police would argue that it's easier for trouble to spread from the Bycars to Vale areas) because it's closer to the Lorne St.

3. The Bycars opens onto the park - wheras the Hamil End backs onto a more easily contained area with a wall before you hit the street (i.e. after games trouble could spread out easier at the Bycars than the Hamil). I've seen fighting in the park next to Ashton Gate after a Bristol City vs Cardiff game and it was awful. I had to run onto the dual carriageway to avoid a police horse charge. God forbid we ever have that at VP if say Millwall bring some nutters this season...

 

I think a lot of the above is because over the years the club has evolved to having the Hamil as an away stand so there's a lot of infrastructure in place already (which would need moving). I think the police will argue the above while the club may think that there's a lot of expense involved (i.e. fences, police control boxes etc) if away fans were moved.

 

My radical view (which again is idealistic because it doesn't take account of the money involved) is in the long-term (and in an ideal world) can't we keep the away fans in the Hamil and upgrade the Bycars into an even better stand. Give it a concourse, give it a decent raked seating area, remove the pillars etc.

 

I know that's a bit "pie in the sky" so in the meantime how about finishing the other part of the LS? That's arguably the best stand in the stadium and would give more home fans a better standard without going through the hassle of moving away stands? We're going to be getting 7-8,000 at best this season and so a 5,000 capacity LS would cater for a large proportion of the home contingent until the Bycars and/or Railway can be developed at a later date.

 

All we need to do is beat West Brom and draw Chelsea in the next round. The revenue should give us enough to complete the LS. Easy...

[melv]

You're grabbing at straws, it makes zero logistical, practical or financial sense to change the current arrangement!

 

http://www.port-vale.co.uk/news/article/chairmans-statement-2636216.aspx

[TeenValiant]

We may as well just not bother going into the ground, instead put a camera up and film the game live streaming it to a big screen in Burslem town centre, then the police have at least half a mile segregation between home and away fans. And wed all be happy -_-. Since they don't want us to park, drink, walk, talk, or be happy, at any football games, there was less security at Alcatraz

[Family Stand Terrier]

I agree with Rob on this one. Especially his idea to update the bycars, however radical it may be. My view is that we should have the Hamil end. I get frustrated when I read so many of our fans saying they don't want to be moved from where they've sat since the year dot. Like it or not, it's the 21st century. Like Stoke on Trent as a whole, some of our fans refuse to leave the past behind. Everyone, and everywhere else improves and we're stuck 30/40 years behind. Updating the bycars would cause less upset than giving it to away fans. The same can be said for the paddock and railway stand. Outdated, terrible facilities with rubbish atmosphere, yet you try and suggest we give them to away fans and it's like you're asking someone to give up one of their kids. Utter disgust at such a suggestion. We definitely need to finish the lorne Street, whatever happens, just to give opposition fans something less to take the **** out of us for. It's embarrassing.

[Yukon]

http://www.port-vale.co.uk/news/article/chairmans-statement-2636216.aspx

 

So I'm right or have they moved the away fans into the Bycars?

[melv]

So I'm right or have they moved the away fans into the Bycars?

 

But IF they were to move away fans to Bycars then there would be non of this issue and police bills could be cut.

[onestepatatime]

I agree with Rob on this one. Especially his idea to update the bycars, however radical it may be. My view is that we should have the Hamil end. I get frustrated when I read so many of our fans saying they don't want to be moved from where they've sat since the year dot. Like it or not, it's the 21st century. Like Stoke on Trent as a whole, some of our fans refuse to leave the past behind. Everyone, and everywhere else improves and we're stuck 30/40 years behind. Updating the bycars would cause less upset than giving it to away fans. The same can be said for the paddock and railway stand. Outdated, terrible facilities with rubbish atmosphere, yet you try and suggest we give them to away fans and it's like you're asking someone to give up one of their kids. Utter disgust at such a suggestion. We definitely need to finish the lorne Street, whatever happens, just to give opposition fans something less to take the **** out of us for. It's embarrassing.

 

Absolutely brilliant post mate.

[Twitters]

But IF they were to move away fans to Bycars then there would be non of this issue and police bills could be cut.

 

But your idea is reliant on away fans being able to park on the co-op car park. The reason for the wall is because the co-op are stopping people from parking on there until they have sold the land.

 

So the issue would be worse if they moved away fans to the Bycars because there would be nowhere for them to park.

[Rampant Zebra]

Maybe we should just play all our home matches behind closed doors. Then there would be no issues with parking, catering, ticket allocations etc. It is obvious that fans are an inconvenience to the club judging by the way they are treated.

[bycars rob]

Surely if the buses were parked in the co-op car park it would make sense to house the away fans in the moaning paddock.