Just now, JoeB2 said:

The worst argument, ever.

You literally cannot criticise anything, ever, on this logic. Unless you’re a Prime Minister, you can’t hold political views. Unless you’re a Hollywood actor, you can’t have favourite and least favourite films. Unless you’re Freddie Mercury and 2pac combined you can’t have an favourite album. Unless you’re the Pope or Dalai Lama you can’t have a religious view. It’s absolutely nonsense.

I don’t need to be a multi millionaire to figure out they’re making a horrendous mistake and ignoring the fans. It’s this sort of attitude, that only certain folk matter, that gets us into this mess every 18 months.

Carol and Matt have completely ballsed it and could have very easily fixed it if they out their egos and LinkedIn BS to one side.

I don’t need to buy a football club to know this and neither do you.

It's easy sitting on the Internet giving opinions, without being privvy to the ins and outs of things like the contents of Darren Moore's contract, and clubs detailed finances.

Loaning millions of pounds, and running a business without expecting anything in return is entirely different.

Mistakes have been made by the clubs owners, but some of the comments are now turning a bit sour.

If I was Carol I would personally sell up and give someone else a go because I imagine it's not even worth it for her anymore.

But finding a buyer won't necessarily be easy, and finding one willing to pay back loans, and who genuinely has the clubs best interests at heart is even less likely.

6 minutes ago, Biddulph_PV said:

I see why you say that - the jury’s out for me.

Thought he got involved plenty yesterday personally, but I think he’s been badly let down by what’s around him. He made that lung busting run 2nd half from inside our half and was crowded out by 4 of them on their penalty area with nobody bothering to get up in support. And sticking him on the wing to me and absolutely criminal.

Yesterday was exactly like the Wycombe game. A team a with a defined pattern of play - which occasionally means going back and sideways but always with the intent of going forward - moving the ball quickly not slowly and looking like every pass is scuffed and/or telegraphed - and with dangerous wide players. The No 17 was really good I thought.

Once again, I enjoyed watching the opposition more than my own team. That’s not to say they were world beaters - they weren’t exactly watertight at the back (but nobody needs to be against us) - but just had a plan and identity. Simple.

I literally can’t remember the last Vale team that played with pace, moved the ball quickly and had pacy wide players.

Just mostly boring, attritional garbage (and I count some of Clarke’s teams in that).

Maybe an Askey team??

And that is why he is a massive downgrade on Tolaj. 
Tolaj doesn’t rely on anyone around him. He’s a quality striker who gives defenders nightmares. 
Cole is a bleuughh sort of striker. I don’t see him making goals out of nothing like Tolaj did. I don’t see a 15 goal a season striker in him. Tolaj could score all sorts of goals. Overhead kicks. Headers. Thunderbolts. Tap ins. Of his arse even! 
Cole seems to have to work very hard to finish his dinner. 
I aren’t having him as being the saviour to our season. 
I don’t think he’s very good and I think it’s more money wasted on a player that if we sell him we wouldn’t get a return. 
Now that’s not me saying he’s the worst of the lot. Far from it but if fans are pinning hopes on him up front and being gutted that Ojo is out then the red flags are waving. 

2 hours ago, TJHValiant said:

Hmm you know I’ll probably end up doing the same despite my anger…after all we have been through equally bad, I mean I was still going to games like Colchester at home under Aspin….but I can honestly say nothing over Christmas if he is here and that means no away games or Blackpool on NYD. 

Why bother torturing yourself 

Vent your anger either by not attending or 

Voicing your opinions in the ground but to just attend for the sake of it is bat shyte crazy that's just my opinion of course 

Carol Needs to grasp the seriousness of the current situation and fast there's no excuses for keeping Darren Bore in situ 

10 minutes ago, Armchair Valiant said:

It's easy sitting on the Internet giving opinions, without being privvy to the ins and outs of things like the contents of Darren Moore's contract, and clubs detailed finances.

Loaning millions of pounds, and running a business without expecting anything in return is entirely different.

Mistakes have been made by the clubs owners, but some of the comments are now turning a bit sour.

If I was Carol I would personally sell up and give someone else a go because I imagine it's not even worth it for her anymore.

But finding a buyer won't necessarily be easy, and finding one willing to pay back loans, and who genuinely has the clubs best interests at heart is even less likely.

Don’t appoint managers you can’t afford to sack, on 5.5 year contracts, is a pretty obvious decision that they shouldn’t have made in that case.

The biggest hit to revenue won’t be paying off Moore but relegation and subsequent decline in ST sales and match day revenue. 

This isn't a financial decision either. They genuinely think they’re right and we’re wrong. 

Edited December 21, 2025Dec 21 by JoeB2

39 minutes ago, Powerline said:

I’m at the point now where I want us to get spanked at Huddersfield if it means he’s sacked. I’m talking a good 5/6 - 0 hiding. We’ll be better off in the long term.

We’ve been spanked all season and he still hasn’t gone. 
Sadly for the loyal fans, not even a 7-0 spanking on Boxing Day would get rid of him.

If I was a player under him, at this time of year, I’d just think <ovf censored> it. I’ll enjoy my Christmas. Eat what I want and do what I want. Life’s too short. 
It would be more enjoyable than sitting in one of his classroom sessions. 
Listening to him on a 5 minute interview sends me to a sleep with his boring rhetoric.

8 minutes ago, Armchair Valiant said:

It's easy sitting on the Internet giving opinions, without being privvy to the ins and outs of things like the contents of Darren Moore's contract, and clubs detailed finances.

Loaning millions of pounds, and running a business without expecting anything in return is entirely different.

Mistakes have been made by the clubs owners, but some of the comments are now turning a bit sour.

If I was Carol I would personally sell up and give someone else a go because I imagine it's not even worth it for her anymore.

But finding a buyer won't necessarily be easy, and finding one willing to pay back loans, and who genuinely has the clubs best interests at heart is even less likely.

If you have to loan millions of pounds to run a business to get no return, then I suggest you shouldn’t be running that business as you aren’t qualified.

Youve basically just stated the owners aren’t fit to run this club. 

19 minutes ago, Armchair Valiant said:

Maybe they should put an offer in to buy the club if they can do better?

9 hours ago, JohnDoe said:

I hadnt considered this before. But could this be a reason that carol is so attached to keeping him?

She’s not a bible basher is she?! 🙄

14 minutes ago, Armchair Valiant said:

It's easy sitting on the Internet giving opinions, without being privvy to the ins and outs of things like the contents of Darren Moore's contract, and clubs detailed finances.

Loaning millions of pounds, and running a business without expecting anything in return is entirely different.

Mistakes have been made by the clubs owners, but some of the comments are now turning a bit sour.

If I was Carol I would personally sell up and give someone else a go because I imagine it's not even worth it for her anymore.

But finding a buyer won't necessarily be easy, and finding one willing to pay back loans, and who genuinely has the clubs best interests at heart is even less likely.

What’s not easy for the fans is paying £100 minimum to go to Huddersfield , after working hard all week to support their club. They have every right to criticize and get angry at the way they are being treated at the moment. Maybe she should sell up , as you say, and take all her minions with her . The real issue is Moore though, and if she had the club’s best interests at heart , he would have been gone after Plymouth. But who are we to question her ? All we’d get is a letter scolding us on our bad behavior, and lack of diversity . 
Pathetic doesn’t even cover it.Tin  hat on. 

24 minutes ago, Spunk Trumpet said:

And that is why he is a massive downgrade on Tolaj. 
Tolaj doesn’t rely on anyone around him. He’s a quality striker who gives defenders nightmares. 
Cole is a bleuughh sort of striker. I don’t see him making goals out of nothing like Tolaj did. I don’t see a 15 goal a season striker in him. Tolaj could score all sorts of goals. Overhead kicks. Headers. Thunderbolts. Tap ins. Of his arse even! 
Cole seems to have to work very hard to finish his dinner. 
I aren’t having him as being the saviour to our season. 
I don’t think he’s very good and I think it’s more money wasted on a player that if we sell him we wouldn’t get a return. 
Now that’s not me saying he’s the worst of the lot. Far from it but if fans are pinning hopes on him up front and being gutted that Ojo is out then the red flags are waving. 

I think he’s the wrong player for us. Like I say, stick him in a team with wide players and a bit a creativity behind him and in L1/L2 he’s good for 12-15 goals still I say. 

It’s been pretty clear (now confirmed) that we wouldn’t have gone up without Tolaj. And that we went up in spite of Moore not because of him. 

We need a complete overhaul of the first team management & squad and to implement a style of play that will give the fans hope (not for this season, obvs, that went down the pan a long time ago).

 

Edited December 21, 2025Dec 21 by Biddulph_PV

6 minutes ago, SS Vale said:

What’s not easy for the fans is paying £100 minimum to go to Huddersfield , after working hard all week to support their club. They have every right to criticize and get angry at the way they are being treated at the moment. Maybe she should sell up , as you say, and take all her minions with her . The real issue is Moore though, and if she had the club’s best interests at heart , he would have been gone after Plymouth. But who are we to question her ? All we’d get is a letter scolding us on our bad behavior, and lack of diversity . 
Pathetic doesn’t even cover it.Tin  hat on. 

You say it’s not easy for the fans to pay 100 quid to go Huddersfield. 
I would say it’s stupidity. They have a choice. 
We know the outcome of the game already. So why waste that money this time of year and be away from family. 
 

Each to their own.

4 minutes ago, Biddulph_PV said:

I think he’s the wrong player for us. Like I say, stick him in a team with wide players and a bit a creativity behind him and in L1/L2 he’s good for 12-15 goals still I say. 

It’s been pretty clear (now confirmed) that we wouldn’t have gone up without Tolaj. And that we went up in spite of Moore not because of him. 

We need a complete overhaul of the first team management & squad and to implement a style of play that will give the fans hope (not for this season, obvs, that went down the pan a long time ago).

 

In a 12 year career he’s only ever gone beyond 15 goals a season once and that was 18 goals. 
The bloke has played 400 games and scored 99 goals. 
Compare that to Uche….. Similar age. Played 337 and scored 61 goals. 
We ridiculed Uche. But his record isn’t far off that of Coles! 
He isn’t the answer. Never was. Never will be. He’s a league two player at best. 

57 minutes ago, Emile said:

Why do you think getting spanked at Huddersfield means he will get sacked? 

Fair point

1 minute ago, Spunk Trumpet said:

In a 12 year career he’s only ever gone beyond 15 goals a season once and that was 18 goals. 
The bloke has played 400 games and scored 99 goals. 
Compare that to Uche….. Similar age. Played 337 and scored 61 goals. 
We ridiculed Uche. But his record isn’t far off that of Coles! 
He isn’t the answer. Never was. Never will be. He’s a league two player at best. 

Devante played at a much higher level than Uche (aside from an unconvincing stint with Boro) and isn’t crocked like he was. The facts are, Tolaj’s highest level until this season was league 2. Devante has never even played in league 2, let alone non league like Tolaj. 

Devante is certainly not a league 2 player, we have a lot of those, but he isn’t one of them. 

34 minutes ago, Spunk Trumpet said:

And that is why he is a massive downgrade on Tolaj. 
Tolaj doesn’t rely on anyone around him. He’s a quality striker who gives defenders nightmares. 
Cole is a bleuughh sort of striker. I don’t see him making goals out of nothing like Tolaj did. I don’t see a 15 goal a season striker in him. Tolaj could score all sorts of goals. Overhead kicks. Headers. Thunderbolts. Tap ins. Of his arse even! 
Cole seems to have to work very hard to finish his dinner. 
I aren’t having him as being the saviour to our season. 
I don’t think he’s very good and I think it’s more money wasted on a player that if we sell him we wouldn’t get a return. 
Now that’s not me saying he’s the worst of the lot. Far from it but if fans are pinning hopes on him up front and being gutted that Ojo is out then the red flags are waving. 

My Albion mates when we signed him said that I could score more than Cole