Barnsley (H) match thread - Boxing Day

[Biddulph_PV]

10 minutes ago, Brian Johnson said:

Phil, the game was lost in the first half by a total inept performance.

They never even got out of first gear to go 3-0 up with John McAtee being the best player on the pitch by a country mile & totally running the show. Then Cole had the defence, in particular Debrah, all over the place whilst he was on the pitch.

The tide turned when between the 46th & 68th minute, Barnsley took off their 4 best players to save them for Fridays game because the points were already in the bag at Vale.

I saw a quote on twitter which describes yesterday perfectly, we are playing like the Dog & Duck

Yep, that’s exactly what a lot of people are missing. They basically declared at HT and started resting players. So anyone buoyed by the 2nd half “recovery” really needs to put this into context. If they’d kept the full team out I’ve no doubt we’d have been looking at 5/6 goals against. 

[darren1810]

10 hours ago, Powerline said:

I’m the same and I think it’s because we know the squad is actually ok. League 1 is terrible this year - I mean we’ve been this bad and are still 7 points clear of relegation. With a proper manager in we could have a decent season. But instead we are subjected to the most boring football I’ve ever seen, on a par with Aspin’s. And it’s more frustrating because we are wasting talent. At least under brown and Bruno, the managers were <ovf censored>, but so were the players.

You've hit the nail on the head. 

This midfield is exceptional compared to other seasons but I'd agree we're being held back by bizarre tactics and weird team selection. 

That's all at the management door. 

[Biddulph_PV]

Can somebody with far more tactical nous than me explain why 3-5-2 is the modus operandi?? 

It’s a system that needs specialist wing-backs i.e. people that have the energy to get up & down the field and be inventive in attack and defensively solid. It strikes me that such players are rare as hen’s teeth, or am I wrong? Are they in fact more plentiful that traditional full-backs / wingers??

You could make the same argument about Centre Backs, as the system needs the wide CB’s to not only be tall to be able to be able to defend balls into the box, but also be good footballers to link up and join the play and have pace to cover the wide areas when the WB’s are caught out of position. Again, are these types of CB’s plentiful?? 

Edited December 27, 2023 by Biddulph_PV

[Packmoor_vale]

6 hours ago, Devine intervention said:

Tried praise the performance second half on Facebook and got hammered by derogatory comments like Deluded I don't think I am deluded played very well second half today and all game v Wigan its a damn sight better than watching us last season .

I think we were a far worser team last season in my opinion crossing the ball in 150 times  a game to no one .

At least James Wilson looks like a top player gamely in this set up 

I said before the game change the wing backs the change in the team when we had more go in them.areas was very telling .

I'm feeling pretty optimistic about the future after second half display remember Barnsley were play off finalists last season and some of the crap ive read about taking there best players off , we played all our game without 2 of our best players so that argument means nowt to me .

Vale will be fine this season 

Those who stayed in the ground were superb in there encouragement and I don't give a damn what folk say Vale deserved win that game 4-3 .

So UTV bring on the Blackpool same performance all 90 required .

In defeat sometimes theres victory 

I'd love us go on a run and play them twice more in play offs next time we beat Barnsley I predict 

UTV 

Best thing I ever did was leave that Facebook site it’s toxic at best I would advise u do they same mate your to positive to be on there 

 

[darren1810]

6 minutes ago, Biddulph_PV said:

Can somebody with far more tactical nous than me explain why 3-5-2 is the modus operandi?? 

It’s a system that needs specialist wing-backs i.e. people that have the energy to get up & down the field and be inventive in attack and defensively solid. It strikes me that such players are rare as hen’s teeth, or am I wrong? Are they in fact more plentiful that traditional full-backs / wingers??

You could make the same argument about Centre Backs, as the system needs the wide CB’s to not only be tall to be able to be able to defend balls into the box, but also be good footballers to link up and join the play and have pace to cover the wide areas when the WB’s are caught out of position. Again, are these types of CB’s plentiful?? 

I've called out the likes of Pep for this.

It's filtered down the leagues where players aren't capable of this style. Passing around at the back is alien to them. Hence Smith struggles.

It cost us the 2nd killer goal v Boro . And whilst I can't recall many calamities you feel one is around the corner because most of our defenders aren't capable of one touch tippy tappy stuff. 

4-4-2 doesn't have to be ridiculed as Big Sam dinosaur football. If you have not got the personnel to play wing backs then why the hell persist with it .

[werstayinup]

There is no doubt in my mind that the second half saved Crosbys job for now

Blackpool will be massive for him as we will be looking for a response but the big one will be Carlisle on Monday,fail to win any of those 2 and i am sure he will have to go

2 wins in 15 gets a lot of managers sacked so he is very lucky right now

[werstayinup]

17 hours ago, sheffield61 said:

I fear this will drag on a couple of days.....

 

 

I'm PREYING that Blackpool give him the P45 very soon......

I can never want Vale to lose just to get rid of a manager as i want us to win every game we play but i understand the frustration

[smithie]

23 minutes ago, Biddulph_PV said:

Yep, that’s exactly what a lot of people are missing. They basically declared at HT and started resting players. So anyone buoyed by the 2nd half “recovery” really needs to put this into context. If they’d kept the full team out I’ve no doubt we’d have been looking at 5/6 goals against. 

Or you could say that a depleted Barnsley would be mid-table like us and that's why we more then matched them in the second half. If we'd pinched a point that's Barnsley's fault, not ours. 

We can only play what the opposition put on the pitch.

[werstayinup]

17 hours ago, CambridgeDon said:

Meanwhile, Barrow under Pete Wild - assembled on a shoe string - are beating leaders Stockport - assembled with a fat cheque book - 2-1 at home.

We should go get him before someone else in trouble beats us to it. 

And Cambridge, rejuvenated under their new manager, are winning away at Oxford 0-1. Amazing what real leadership can do, on and off the pitch.

I do agree about Wild and if it came to it he is the one i would go for,as for Harris i have never really rated him but he has certainly changed things for the better at Cambridge

[hamilboy]

6 minutes ago, werstayinup said:

I do agree about Wild and if it came to it he is the one i would go for,as for Harris i have never really rated him but he has certainly changed things for the better at Cambridge

It could be worse we could have Wayne Rooney in charge.

[CAVALIER]

9 hours ago, Doha said:

Losing every week is part of the project, aye?

Why can't Pete Wild or Duff be part of that project? Why is it wedded to the inexperienced cheap option who's never managed before?

That sounds harsh and I don't like to write it, but ultimately it's true. 

The following is what I wrote when they sacked DC. Was I right?

  

 

 

Doha. Completely the best post on the matter. I’m sure both would jump at the chance of managing us with such progressive owners and Duff in particular has a track record of delivering . I can only think of one manager in years who didn’t sound a decent bloke and that was Gannon. The rest all come over as nice, pleasant chaps, even Flitcroft does but if you were being paid decent money for being <ovf censored> then I guess we all would. 
I’d back either of your suggestions but we need it doing now.

[werstayinup]

16 hours ago, johnjeffersfanclub said:

Players are playing for the manager. Crosby in.

What happened in the first half then...... do they only play for him 1/2 a game a time? 2 wins in 15 i hate to think what we would be like if they weren't playing for him.

They took their foot off it second half and at 3-0 they took off their 2 main strikers McAtee and Cole

[RPH-KV]

23 minutes ago, werstayinup said:

There is no doubt in my mind that the second half saved Crosbys job for now

Blackpool will be massive for him as we will be looking for a response but the big one will be Carlisle on Monday,fail to win any of those 2 and i am sure he will have to go

2 wins in 15 gets a lot of managers sacked so he is very lucky right now

Agree - be interesting to see the starting 11 on Friday after that game of 2 halves.

[darren1810]

20 minutes ago, werstayinup said:

I can never want Vale to lose just to get rid of a manager as i want us to win every game we play but i understand the frustration

I also would never ever want us to lose a game. 

But can't help thinking had it petered out at 0-3 it may of had more damaging implications than the 3-2 ' fightback ' .

The 2-3 papers over so many chasms and could be more damaging long term than a 3-0 mundane thumping. 

[Biddulph_PV]

1 hour ago, smithie said:

Or you could say that a depleted Barnsley would be mid-table like us and that's why we more then matched them in the second half. If we'd pinched a point that's Barnsley's fault, not ours. 

We can only play what the opposition put on the pitch.

I don’t disagree, but Barnsley chose to sub their best players, not because they were depleted  due to injuries. And it’s not as if injuries are a new thing to us is it?? Ok, Ollie’s was bad luck, but Wilson is injury prone, Ojo seems injury prone, Clarke the same…..

Edited December 27, 2023 by Biddulph_PV