Abortion

[JOHNNYAITCH]

We've done this topic many times but it's too important not to discuss it because of that..

 

I don't believe in abortion as a means of belated contraception, nor as a means of ensuring your child is the right sex. The Pro life people, however, would not allow the vicitms of rape to abort the resultant foetus. Surely that can't be right.

 

So the rapist gets a few years in prison whereas the unborn child gets its life ended because of how it came to be..surely that can't be right?

 

Of course it's unimaginably horrible for the woman/mother but I fail to see why the unborn child should have its life ended because of how it came to be.....you're just creating another innocent victim of this terrible crime.

 

Plus if you are pro-choice what's the mother's reason got to do with you? It's her choice if she wants to use abortion as contraception or feels giving birth to a girl isn't right for her. The contradiction makes no sense to me.

[Yukon]

It's 2016, that opinion is 50 years out of date

[geosname]

Are you anti abortion no matter what the circumstances?

[robf]

Johnny,

 

I think it's extremely difficult to judge a situation you have never encountered yourself. That's not to say people can't have a view on the issue but that I think it's very difficult for us on a online forum to really know what it's like to consider these very difficult issues for real.

 

In my view, I think it's right and proper that people who have suffered the trauma of rape have a choice and don't get the choice taken away from them to be forced into only one course of action.

[Fosse69]

How can you justify forcing a woman to have a baby against her will after being raped?

[JOHNNYAITCH]

How can you justify killing an unborn child just cos of how it came to be?

 

Blame the rapist not the one who sees the abortion as wrong

[JOHNNYAITCH]

Johnny,

 

I think it's extremely difficult to judge a situation you have never encountered yourself.

 

it is indeed..that's why it's taken me 30 years to go from where I was on this (no issues with abortion) to where I am now.

 

That's not to say people can't have a view on the issue but that I think it's very difficult for us on a online forum to really know what it's like to consider these very difficult issues for real.

 

it's not difficult if you see it as a moral issue..abortion is OK or it isn't..for me morally it isn't

 

In my view, I think it's right and proper that people who have suffered the trauma of rape have a choice and don't get the choice taken away from them to be forced into only one course of action.

 

I don't think it's right that an unborn baby should have its life ended because of how it came to be..it creates two victims of this heinous crime

[Yukon]

How can you justify killing an unborn child just cos of how it came to be?

 

Blame the rapist not the one who sees the abortion as wrong

 

The fetus at the point of termination isn't a person. I find it staggering people feel they can dictate what women do with their bodies

[geosname]

How can you justify killing an unborn child just cos of how it came to be?

 

Blame the rapist not the one who sees the abortion as wrong

 

How can you justify forcing a rape victim to remember her abuse every day just by looking hat her baby?

Or are you suggesting the baby should be taken into the system?

Is it fair to make the victim carry a reminder of her ordeal for 9 months, then go through childbirth knowing how she became pregnant, possibly risking her life?

What if the rape victim was a child of 7/8/9 years old?

[geosname]

it is indeed..that's why it's taken me 30 years to go from where I was on this (no issues with abortion) to where I am now.

 

 

 

it's not difficult if you see it as a moral issue..abortion is OK or it isn't..for me morally it isn't

 

 

 

I don't think it's right that an unborn baby should have its life ended because of how it came to be..it creates two victims of this heinous crime

 

With all due respect JA you can spend 60 years to get to where you are now but you still dont know what the situation is for the woman.

If the mother doesnt want the baby she is carrying you could still have 2 victims... not the same I agree but still a victim given the failings of the system.

[JOHNNYAITCH]

The fetus at the point of termination isn't a person. I find it staggering people feel they can dictate what women do with their bodies

 

I find it staggering that you think it's Ok to terminate the life of an unborn baby just because of how it came to be

 

Define a person?

 

Noun "a human being"

 

Human being

 

Noun..any individual of the genus Homo, especially a member of the species Homo sapiens.

 

In what way is the unborn child not a person

 

Nothing personal but in my experience of many years debating this pro-choicers tend to ignore the fact that the unborn child is a person in every sense that matters.

[Michael]

I find it staggering that you think it's Ok to terminate the life of an unborn baby just because of how it came to be

 

Like he said at that that stage it isnt a baby.

[robf]

I find it staggering that you think it's Ok to terminate the life of an unborn baby just because of how it came to be

 

Is it also unfair to give a human being a terrible life? For example, what if the woman is severely injured, very young or mentally damaged and is incapable of looking after the child. Or the child suffers because of the stigma attached?

 

For me, I think it's caring and humane to think about the quality of life a human may get and if it's more compassionate to give people a choice one way or another before that person becomes conscious.

 

You mention punishing the guilty rapist but I think you can also punish an innocent victim by forcing them into one path (to have a baby) and an innocent child by bringing them into the world in circumstances that could lead them to have an awful life.

 

Ultimately, I still think that the women, who is carrying the child, who should have the final say.

[JOHNNYAITCH]

With all due respect JA you can spend 60 years to get to where you are now but you still dont know what the situation is for the woman.

 

Very true..but I don't understand how anyone can be so concerned for one person but in the same breath end the life of another

 

If the mother doesnt want the baby she is carrying you could still have 2 victims... not the same I agree but still a victim given the failings of the system.

 

You won't have a dead victim

[JOHNNYAITCH]

Like he said at that that stage it isnt a baby.

 

In what way isn't it?

 

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/baby amongst many others defines an unborn fetus as a baby