Closed thread on Castro

[Robbie Earle's Perm]

I live in a country where the media is in the control of the authorities, censorship is rife and information is usually controlled to such an extent and for such a long period people believe what they are told without much, if any, questioning... The "prime minister" is on the television almost every nigh and for 1 hour, all channels, every friday at a specific time.

I could say more but I could get arrested for it.

 

Say more, say more!

 

I promise to bring you a cake with a file :)

[Jacko51]

The problem with dictatorships is that there is something in the human psyche which eventually objects to them, whether they are benevolent or not. Similarly, in a democracy, there is always an opposition. There is no perfect form of government because humans are not perfect. There is no doubt in my mind, however, that a democracy which allows freedom of the press is infinitely preferable to a dictatorship which doesn't.

[Fosse69]

Revolutions usually happen when there is a great disparity between very rich and the rest, what happens after that varies. There can be counter revolutions or the new order carries on. They can last a long time, Russia, Spain etc. and may require a totalitarian regime. But as with any system, power corrupts and total power corrupts absolutely and eventually a new order takes over. What this century will bring who knows?

[Robbie Earle's Perm]

Animal Farm anyone?

 

All animals are equal, some are just more equal than others!

[Howjy04]

Does anyone find it unusual that left wing politicians continually revere mass murders

[geosname]

Say more, say more!

 

I promise to bring you a cake with a file :)

 

I dont like cake

[Robbie Earle's Perm]

I dont like cake

 

Christmas Cake must be your worst nightmare in that case!

[Fosse69]

I dont like cake

Not even fish cakes?

[geosname]

Christmas Cake must be your worst nightmare in that case!

 

Birthday cake actually... fire risk

[JOHNNYAITCH]

The problem with dictatorships is that there is something in the human psyche which eventually objects to them, whether they are benevolent or not. Similarly, in a democracy, there is always an opposition. There is no perfect form of government because humans are not perfect. There is no doubt in my mind, however, that a democracy which allows freedom of the press is infinitely preferable to a dictatorship which doesn't.

 

What if the free press exploits their freedom in a way that is not good for the people but is good for a minority including those that 'own' the free press? A controlled press is the only press that could be used solely for the good of the people...the 'govt' if it gets it right completely in terms of what is right could ensure that the press supports that and indeed is part of it to ensure that what is right is not disrupted by the press/media...a free press could be in conflict with what is right cos that isn't good for the minority that the 'owners' belong to.

 

Of course no govt has ever got it so right that they don 't do things that are not good and it's a free press that will expose them hence they don't want a free press.

[JOHNNYAITCH]

Does anyone find it unusual that left wing politicians continually revere mass murders

 

The ends justify the means? Basically a certain amount of genocide is OK if it's done for the "right" reasons.

[Andyregs]

Does anyone find it unusual that left wing politicians continually revere mass murders

 

Do I have to give examples of right wing politicians who have done the same. Some from our own shores. And right wing governments who have supported dictatorships. Perhaps you dont find that unusual though?

[JOHNNYAITCH]

FULL TEXT OF POPE FRANCIS’S TELEGRAM:

“Upon receiving the sad news of the death of your dear brother, His Excellency Mister Fidel Alejandro Castro Ruz, former president of the State Council and of the Government of the Republic of Cuba, I express my sentiments of sorrow to Your Excellency and other family members of the deceased dignitary, as well as to the people of his beloved nation

“I offer prayers to the Lord for his rest and I trust the whole Cuban people to the maternal intercession of Our Lady of the Charity of El Cobre, patroness of this country.”

 

Being the Pope and a fervent believer in God's mercy and how he can only be judged by God etc. I'd expect nothing else..it does not offer any view/judgement on what Castro did.

[JOHNNYAITCH]

Do I have to give examples of right wing politicians who have done the same. Some from our own shores. And right wing governments who have supported dictatorships. Perhaps you dont find that unusual though?

 

But right wingers are supposed to be "nasty" and ruthless aren't they so you'd not be surprised whereas left wingers are supposed to be nice and caring or at least that's how they position/present themselves...garbage in so many cases.

 

Personally the means matter just as much and politicians of all persuasions will try to persuade us that what they are doing (means) is right cos of the ultimate goal...whether it be Blair, Castro, Bush to name but a few.

[Bea Smith]

Animal Farm anyone?

 

All animals are equal, some are just more equal than others!

 

Some certainly have bigger beaks than others.