Club statement ref Wolves match.

[melv]

put it this way - when we play Cov I wont be walking down Hamil Road to my car

 

I hope the policing has improved and they have learned from their mistakes by then.I wouldn't be surprised if this game is moved to an earlier kick off(if its not to late to do so)

[JOHNNYAITCH]

Can't see what the problem is with the statement..defends the club and puts the focus quite rightly on the idiotic minority of Vale fans who wanted trouble...something that falls under his remit.

 

Yes the police may well have made mistakes and should learn form them and individual officers who went OTT should be punished but the mistakes would have had no consequences if it wasn't for the idiots who wanted trouble.

[melv]

Can't see what the problem is with the statement..defends the club and puts the focus quite rightly on the idiotic minority of Vale fans who wanted trouble

 

I see your point and I agree.But it is a one sided statement.No mention about the policing being abysmal at all.Maybe an official statement from the police explains their actions should be published.

[JOHNNYAITCH]

Stop making things up.

 

Some people prefer to 'personalise' a thread than argue the point...it's to be expected from them. Don't rise to the bait

[JOHNNYAITCH]

I see your point and I agree.But it is a one sided statement.No mention about the policing being abysmal at all.Maybe an official statement from the police explains their actions should be published.

 

True but I don't see how he can make such a statement re the policing at this time..too soon afterwards, no investigation, only anecdotal evidence etc. Perhaps in the fullness of time and in the right manner

[blackdog]

Can't see what the problem is with the statement..defends the club and puts the focus quite rightly on the idiotic minority of Vale fans who wanted trouble...something that falls under his remit.

 

Yes the police may well have made mistakes and should learn form them and individual officers who went OTT should be punished but the mistakes would have had no consequences if it wasn't for the idiots who wanted trouble.

 

The point about idiots who wanted trouble is constantly overlooked by those who are apologists for total morons who just want to stand and argue and kick against authority.

 

The drink fuelled/high as kites idiots have no social or moral responsibility,and will drag the club and its reputation into gutter.

[melv]

The point about idiots who wanted trouble is constantly overlooked by those who are apologists for total morons who just want to stand and argue and kick against authority.

 

The drink fuelled/high as kites idiots have no social or moral responsibility,and will drag the club and its reputation into gutter.

 

 

I'm not sure the point about these idiots is being overlooked really.Everyone knows that this is part of the problem on Saturday.

[JOHNNYAITCH]

The point about idiots who wanted trouble is constantly overlooked by those who are apologists for total morons who just want to stand and argue and kick against authority.

 

The drink fuelled/high as kites idiots have no social or moral responsibility,and will drag the club and its reputation into gutter.

 

It's just the working classes letting off steam isn't it, they need a drunken violent outlet, poor lambs ;)

[JOHNNYAITCH]

I'm not sure the point about these idiots is being overlooked really.Everyone knows that this is part of the problem on Saturday.

 

True but there are some who will point the finger solely at the police for example when the police **** ups would have had no consequences if it wasn't for the mindless minority

[blackdog]

True but there are some who will point the finger solely at the police for example when the police **** ups would have had no consequences if it wasn't for the mindless minority

 

And that too me is the case in a nutshell.

[For Us All]

No idiots = No Trouble.

[JOHNNYAITCH]

Bang on

[Westport Lake]

No idiots = No Trouble.

 

I also agree completely. If there had been no Police present last

Saturday, they day would have passed by with no issue.

[JOHNNYAITCH]

I also agree completely. If there had been no Police present last

Saturday, they day would have passed by with no issue.

 

:)

[Nottingham Valiant]

Good luck with your ideal world and your clean up of societies misfits and idiots.....get real this happens at every club up and down the country every body isn't a good citizen get over it!!

 

It saddens me to say this as a Stoke lad born and bred but having not lived in the area for over 15 years I think I may have a better persepective than some on here.

 

It's NOT a nationwide problem, yes there are a few morons at every club but Vale, some of its fans and to a large degree the city of Stoke on Trent, is still in the last century. We have as high a % of pond scum in our relatively small fanbase as any club I can think of and it's getting worse, whereas generally this is a problem of the past for most football clubs.

 

The racism, the ******** 18 year old chavs that were trying to cause trouble on saturday and the general sense of nastiness at Vale games, particuarly some away games, is not what football is about in this day and age. Sadly, in many ways the Vale is a symbol of the city today.

 

I will get shot down for the above I am sure, but some of you on here need to wake up and look beyond the city walls. Stoke generally isn't thought about by the rest of the country as a modern, cosmopolitan, forward-thinking city you know.

 

However, despite my opinions above, I agree that yes, the police were inept and heavy handed, however, it wasn't them that CAUSED the trouble. Like it or not it was ********s who have attached themselves to Vale.