Exeter City (H) match thread - 13th April

[Doha]

14 minutes ago, PVFC764 said:

Ojo wants to leave by the looks of it

Oh no. Stop. Come back. Don't go.

[PVFC764]

4 minutes ago, darren1810 said:

There's that old adage ' if they're good enough they're old enough '.

Not sure that applies in League 2. It's brutal. Shorrock, Walters, Lomax would be like lost sheep. Dipepa obviously the pick of the bunch but again coming up against some hairy brute with 300 games under their belt from Crawley or Salford will be very difficult for him. 

Dipepa will be gone very soon, just hope a good deal is put together for him, so better players can be brought in.  The young players that have been thrown into the first team have tried to do their best when used and most shown they are better/more willing than the experienced first team players fraudcroft brought in.  Just hope they have not been adversely affected by this.

As you say, Div 2 is brutal and opposition players will love to boot them all over the field and say welcome to Div 2.

[PVFC FAN]

11 minutes ago, Mellor! said:

Maybe our definitions of solid are different? A solid League 2 squad to me is someone like Barrow or Gillingham. Whereas a good one is Mansfield or Stockport. We need the latter or we're just building on League 2 sand again.

Ye that's what I meant. Atleast we agree.

[PVFC FAN]

9 minutes ago, Killersrevenge44 said:

Just a note for the forthcoming game... Wycombe are 25% owned by the supporters. 

Wouldn't be a bad idea if we did that.

[Sandyford_Lion]

1 hour ago, Jacko51 said:

And another thing.  Since 1st January we have won 2 points from losing positions and lost 11 points from winning positions.  What does that tell you about the squad mentality?

Jacko

Come out of retirement and go and work for D M

Yes. I am serious

[RayWalkers40yarder]

3 hours ago, PVFC FAN said:

My <ovf censored> ideas are get good squad invest in facilities like the academy to allow for financial stability when we sell players on like depepa. Get a new dof in who with Darren more build a squad to maintain league 1 status. If we stay up. If we go down we should build a solid league 2 side as a foundation for when we are prompted to league 1.

If you disagree with that just because it's me saying it your mad.

ill just hijack this conversation by saying that is the WRONG way around. and this season has proved it. Fix the first team - thats what paying customers come to see ( and im not talking about those in the ivory tower boxes - im talking about the bulk of the paying customers in the Railway who cant even see where theyre peeing in the mens bogs because the lights are being powered by a hamster wheel) .... not posh academy facilities that do nothing in the here and now. no club runs its operations like that outside of the premier league.

Edited April 14 by RayWalkers40yarder

[PVFC764]

1 minute ago, PVFC FAN said:

If we want to go anywhere we need a dof. All top 10 sides in the top 4 league in England have dofs. Just because flitcroft did a bad job doesn't mean every other dof is bad. Wasn't saying this when we got promoted were u. This year his recruitment has been shocking. His plan on paper made complete sense. However he executed this plan badly.

"This has been tried and tested" Yes and it proves dofs are an essential part of a football club these day.

When we got promoted fans were beginning to see fraudcroft for what he was and started to voice concerns.  Shocking recruitment was 2.5 years when you look back at it, not just this season.  Yes there were some good players brought in, but mainly players not good enough to play the way he wanted, players with poor injury records and a recruitment team that should have looked into this.  How many loan players have come to Vale and not actually played for us properly.  Gone back to their clubs - waste of money and time.

If mummy is going down that route again, hopefully this is already been looked into and names being talked about.  Oh no this will happen a month before start of the new season in Div 2.  

[PVFC764]

17 minutes ago, PVFC FAN said:

Ye we will be left with a <ovf censored> squad. That's why ideally we need a dof or head scout to find player that fit within our budget and are good enough to fight for promotion back up to league 1

Wasn't that what the recruitment team were doing.  Oh it was and failed big style.

Depends what the budget is for Div 2.  DM should be the one to say, we play this way, so need these type players and the head scout can then go out and find players that fit that requirement.  Not the DoF saying you will play this way and these are the players you have to work with.  

Interesting times again at Vale Park seeing what squad will be put together when we are in Div 2.  Never smooth running at Vale Park and being a Vale Fan.  

[PV1973]

22 minutes ago, PVFC FAN said:

Ye we will be left with a <ovf censored> squad. That's why ideally we need a dof or head scout to find player that fit within our budget and are good enough to fight for promotion back up to league 1

have we got no scouting network then? How were players being identified and brought in? 

[PVFC764]

17 minutes ago, Doha said:

Oh no. Stop. Come back. Don't go.

If Ojo goes, oh well, move on.  You can't make he stay if he's fed up with Vale.  There will be other players coming in who will replace him (hopefully better).

Rather have players who want to be here and try on the pitch.

[PVFC764]

1 minute ago, PV1973 said:

have we got no scouting network then? How were players being identified and brought in? 

Fag packet scouting.  Here's a name and on youtube you will see some videos of him playing football. 🤣

[PV1973]

5 minutes ago, PVFC764 said:

Fag packet scouting.  Here's a name and on youtube you will see some videos of him playing football. 🤣

I’ll get one sorted for my powerleague highlights. 

[Fosse69]

16 minutes ago, PV1973 said:

have we got no scouting network then? How were players being identified and brought in? 

On the club site Tommy Johnson is shown as the Recruitment Manager so the scouts would report to him. 

[Nippy Naylor]

43 minutes ago, PVFC FAN said:

Ye we will be left with a <ovf censored> squad. That's why ideally we need a dof or head scout to find player that fit within our budget and are good enough to fight for promotion back up to league 1

We don't need a DOF , jeez 

We need some good scouts to 

Spot the Langstaffs of this world 

There is talent lower down but you've got to have a good scouting network to spot them

2 hours ago, PVFC FAN said:

Is getting a good dof a waste? I honestly don't know why you hate dofs so much. Not the 90s anymore.

Did Micky Adams need a DiOF ? No 

Was he successful,? Yes because he had a good scouting network and got the absolute best out of the players he has because his man management was top drawer 

[Paul6754]

On 13/04/2024 at 12:29, JRC said:

I've only done 52 but I've seen similar. They tend to happen when there is an issue between the manager and the players. It was an issue at the end of Askey's tenure, although that has been well documented by the main protagonist.  There was a spell at the end of Aspin's, McGrath's and certainly Butler's reigns when it was clear players had lost faith. 

JRC, Similar perhaps but that was the worst. Your point about "issue between managers and players" is an interesting one but I hope it's not that as it's only the start of Moore's tenure.

Prior to the Peterborough defeat and yesterday's debacle I was of the opinion that Moore had got the Vale more organized and more difficult to beat but the problem still to solve was how to score enough goals to win enough games to stay up.

We all know the saying that 2-0 is the worst lead in football and Vale came out yesterday for the second half looking and playing scared, when the 1st goal went in they looked even more scared, became jelly-legged and to a man all confidence had blown away. Not one player stood up to lead, demanded the ball, lead by example or  produced a crunching tackle to try and reverse the downward spiral.

Then the subs were made, Uche looked disappointed to be taken off, he still looked to have something left to give and may have provided some inspiration, set an example and arrested the decline had he stayed on. If he's taken off replace him with Loft who put's himself about and may do similar etc etc.

The reasons for yesterday's capitulation are likely the team doesn't have enough leaders, confidence is fragile, insufficient experience on the bench and poor substitutions.

I won't give up hope 'til Vale are mathematically down but I doubt there is any coming back from this. What is a safe lead for this PVFC squad, if 2-0 up at home with 45 mins to go isn't safe then what is?