PVFC Meet delegation of fans regarding current concerns

[Vale Ball]

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[NW9Valiant]

16 minutes ago, robf said:

All I know is personally I think it's always a good idea when the club agrees from a request from supporters to meet and air their grievances. Why? Because it shows the club is willing to listen.

Been involved in a number of these sorts of things at work before now. If they are listening, then it's good. It could also be trying to manage the message somewhat, most likely. Job done it seems, has been posted on here to clarify and urge people get behind the team. Which to be honest, I think 99% of us already are. 

I don't appreciate the inference that support for the club on the pitch and criticism of the backroom being mutually exclusive. They aren't. Fans are, and are willing to do both. 

It's good that they listened but the only thing that matters is results and ultimately that's where the club and leadership will be judged, but they know that. 

I can guess they are trying to stave off any whiff of protests, but I don't really see that happening just yet. Many fed up seem to be declaring they will walk away for a bit for their own well being instead in the mean time. I've thought about the same, but it hasn't reached that point for me yet.

I'd suggest the club focuses on the number 1 task of getting points on the board and saving our L1 status. The communication improvements needs to wait until the summer. Would be a very good idea to have a strategic review and rethink how these things are done and delivered. It all seemed to be pretty good at one point under Carol's tenure, round about the time there were lay offs, Martin left and others including Colin Garlic. Those are some of the big mistakes the club has made from the 'community' point of view. Something the club seems to try to place more importance on than the playing budget and recruitment. 

[Rock]

4 hours ago, Granville said:

Very sceptical of this I'm afraid. Mark Porter - more faces than a town hall clock, goes on Praise and Grumble and slags people at the club off - I bet he won't have said half of that here, more concerned with making himself the centre of attention and getting inside info.

I'd have much preferred another open fans forum, or God forbid Flitcroft sat down with the media and answered some frank questions. 

Instead we've had an in-house podcast, and now Carol grabbing a select group of fans who she can give a slight inside view into the workings of the club in exchange for their loyalty and spreading the good word on her behalf.

Sorry, it means little unless Flitcroft comes out and explains what he's actually doing and takes some responsibility, instead of another attempt by Carol to get people to love him.

You want to be very careful making assumptions were you at the meeting? No Do you know what questions I oir any other member  asked? No 

I stand by what I said on Praise & Grumble unlucky I don't own the club and also I don't have the money to buy the club.  

I also don't hide behind a profile I'm quite happy to meet you for a discussion, or alternativley if you want to stand for election and donate hours of  your time to make a difference feel free to do it!

[Granville]

14 minutes ago, Rock said:

You want to be very careful making assumptions were you at the meeting? No Do you know what questions I oir any other member  asked? No 

I stand by what I said on Praise & Grumble unlucky I don't own the club and also I don't have the money to buy the club.  

I also don't hide behind a profile I'm quite happy to meet you for a discussion, or alternativley if you want to stand for election and donate hours of  your time to make a difference feel free to do it!

In which case feel free to share what was discussed, here?

[Jacko51]

1 hour ago, MBE said:

Where you?

I am currently sitting at my laptop.

[Brian Johnson]

25 minutes ago, Rock said:

You want to be very careful making assumptions were you at the meeting? No Do you know what questions I oir any other member  asked? No 

I stand by what I said on Praise & Grumble unlucky I don't own the club and also I don't have the money to buy the club.  

I also don't hide behind a profile I'm quite happy to meet you for a discussion, or alternativley if you want to stand for election and donate hours of  your time to make a difference feel free to do it!

Are you Mark Porter?

[Fosse69]

1 hour ago, Wozza4England said:

Bloody hell, it’s like being in Kindergarten. 
 

“It wasn't organised by the club nor were the participants selected by the club”

Patrick Shanahan was a participant.

Nor were the participants selected by the club.

Deduction - the club didn’t select Patrick Shanahan.

It’s been pointed out Patrick Shanahan was selected by the club.

That is how I misinterpreted it.

Got it?

 

I didnt say the club selected Patrick(owner`s son)

[mikey]

It basically says we've listened but that's it.

I've never felt less connected with the club than this season.

[NW9Valiant]

Something else I was thinking about with the club's communication is how personal it often is. Like Carol often offers a personal perspective, refers to Dave as Flickers and even tries to give individuals credit in a public forum (I'm thinking about the open letter). 

What I don't really get though, is this seems really quite unprofessional. I'd much prefer the club to speak with one voice, using better, collective terminology rather than bringing certain individuals into the limelight because it often doesn't look good. A Comms director or manager should really be vetting and shaping the language and tone of voice in any public statements, including Carol's. It would do her good as well to allow her to be less the focal point of a lot of criticism. Flitcroft as well for that matter. 

I noticed looking over at our neighbours they've announced some fan forum stuff for the coming season as well, so there's clearly an issue there too in the city. Maybe, hopefully there were some things learned from the meeting that the club can take away and improve for the future. 

Above all though I just want to see 3 points on Saturday. UTV.

Edited March 6 by NW9Valiant

[Rock]

15 minutes ago, Brian Johnson said:

Are you Mark Porter?

Yes 

[Brian Johnson]

1 minute ago, Rock said:

Yes 

Cool!

Nice to meet you

[Rockape99]

46 minutes ago, Rock said:

You want to be very careful making assumptions were you at the meeting? No Do you know what questions I oir any other member  asked? No 

I stand by what I said on Praise & Grumble unlucky I don't own the club and also I don't have the money to buy the club.  

I also don't hide behind a profile I'm quite happy to meet you for a discussion, or alternativley if you want to stand for election and donate hours of  your time to make a difference feel free to do it!

Mark is there anyway the meeting minutes can be published ‘?

[Jacko51]

1 hour ago, Wozza4England said:

Bloody hell, it’s like being in Kindergarten. 
 

“It wasn't organised by the club nor were the participants selected by the club”

Patrick Shanahan was a participant.

Nor were the participants selected by the club.

Deduction - the club didn’t select Patrick Shanahan.

It’s been pointed out Patrick Shanahan was selected by the club.

That is how I misinterpreted it.

Got it?

 

So the club didn't select Carol or Matt Hancock either?  Good heavens - they must have arrived by magic.

[Dr Delgado]

Neil Sedaka’s words keep ringing in my ear tonight, “Oh Carol I am but a fool, darling I love you, though you treat me cruel, you hurt me and you make me cry, oh Carol I will surely die.

Maybe the Shanahan’s intentions are pure and they have the best interests of the club at heart but this latest statement/press release asks more questions than it answers.

1) How come there is only one official record of the meeting, if several people were present, what are the other versions of the events?

2) I can only think that those in attendance signed confidentiality agreements.

3) surely if real and mentally sound Vale fans were in attendance they would have the answer to the question on every sane Vale fan’s lips; “What did the club believe would happen to the team once the club failed to recruit 2 essential players into positions openly identified by Flitcroft”? Until I get an answer to this question all I can envisage in my mind is a meeting chaired by Matt Hancock and Patrick Shanahan and attended by Bungle, Zippy, Postman Pat, Fireman Sam, Boomer, Metal Mickey, Chewbacka, Frank Spencer, Big Bird, Sam Plank, Mel Scholes and George Andrews.

Come on Vale please.

[Wozza4England]

1 minute ago, Jacko51 said:

So the club didn't select Carol or Matt Hancock either?  Good heavens - they must have arrived by magic.

OMFG, are you and Fosse doing this deliberately? Surely no-one is this dumb.

I MISINTERPRETED ROB’S POST BECAUSE HE MISSED OUT AN IMPORTANT WORD. 

I got it wrong because Rob accidentally left out a word that would have prevented any misinterpretation.

I’m actually losing the will to live trying to make it any simpler.