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11 hours ago, philpvfc said:

That’s what we will get if we are and unless we manage to improve our squad drastically we will be, and improving the squad will be difficult once relegated as we will lose some of our better players.

Why? Even in the truly bad times, we had a core of 4k or thereabouts. We will maybe lose some of the more recent supporters, and a few old school for whom this season has been enough. But, there is nothing at all - yet - to suggest we won't bounce back, after a good clear out like we did with Dazzler!

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31 minutes ago, Hoppers said:

Anyone missing Devine Intervention yet?💗💗💗💗

It seems awfully slow on the forums all of a sudden

RZ - any chance you could throw a few of your DC rants in just to liven things up a bit 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

At least we have still got Nippy Naylor to rely on 👍👍👍👍

The Yappy one!

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9 hours ago, Guitar Ray said:

Ah right, so it was complete guesswork then.

 More accurate than your guesswork that crowds won’t dip much after relegation. They already have, which goes to prove your guesswork is pretty <ovf censored>. 

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45 minutes ago, Hoppers said:

Anyone missing Devine Intervention yet?💗💗💗💗

It seems awfully slow on the forums all of a sudden

RZ - any chance you could throw a few of your DC rants in just to liven things up a bit 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

At least we have still got Nippy Naylor to rely on 👍👍👍👍

I don't make comments just to liven up the forum. I bet Thierry Small was determined to score last night to show that he was a good player when played in his correct position though. 

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15 minutes ago, LancyTony said:

Why? Even in the truly bad times, we had a core of 4k or thereabouts. We will maybe lose some of the more recent supporters, and a few old school for whom this season has been enough. But, there is nothing at all - yet - to suggest we won't bounce back, after a good clear out like we did with Dazzler!

Absolutely no way will we build a squad good enough to challenge next season with DF at the reigns and Moore as manager. We will average over 4000 throughout the season but there will be games with around 3,000 home fans next season when we are lingering near the bottom. To say our support won’t dip much is crazy, gates are already going down, people are fed up. Without seeing the attendances I would guess we are 20% down on last season and 30% down on away following, I predict at least the same next season unless there are serious changes.

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3 minutes ago, Rampant Zebra said:

I don't make comments just to liven up the forum. I bet Thierry Small was determined to score last night to show that he was a good player when played in his correct position though. 

Was never given a chance at the Vale, one of Clarke’s mistakes.

 

 

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1 hour ago, LancyTony said:

 

You know this is for Happy Clappers, don't you?  

Just let me remind you - booing players is NOT supporting them! Hurling abuse is not supporting them (and I'm using the general "You" - not you, specifically!) And that last line of yours - really? You're resorting to threats, now? Are you going to organise a revolt, or just keep banging your gums and wittering on...and on...and on...?

Oh...and, given you say "Even if we had an half decent defence and a striker that could score we’d give ourselves half a chance!" then it MUST be a great escape, against those odds? That's just logical...yes?

Where have I ever said I boo players?

 

With each passing day you are making yourself look a Richard. 
 

Keep going for everyone’s entertainment. 
To watch you melt down is quite good fun.

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1 hour ago, LancyTony said:

There is nobody so stupid as someone who plucks figures from nowhere, and gives the yappy ones more chance to air their toxicity. When I say "you" I mean those of you on here who spout the same rubbish - not necessarily you...although you do spout some crap! See how many comments there have been, already, on our supposed wage structure? Just making up figures doesn't make it so...but, If the truth is, indeed, out there regarding those wage figures, you won't mind sharing the links? And I will, of course, apologise to you if you manage to find proof they are real.

Vale "fans" like you do make me angry...but I'm generally a Happy Clapper and pleased my club isn't like Reading, or some of those gone to the National League and aren't likely to be returning.  And no...even if we do get relegated this season, I don't see us slipping through to the NL. 

So - keep moaning, Spunky - and keep posting crap crap crap!

And again my lancy friend. You’re very very very angry for a happy clapper.

Reel it in a bit sunshine and chill out. 
 

You’re letting too many posters bother you. 
 

Start posting with some logic over emotion and then you may get a good debate with somebody. Until then it seems you’re pretty much on your own.

Have a wonderful day.
 

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14 hours ago, philpvfc said:

Absolutely no way will we build a squad good enough to challenge next season with DF at the reigns and Moore as manager. We will average over 4000 throughout the season but there will be games with around 3,000 home fans next season when we are lingering near the bottom. To say our support won’t dip much is crazy, gates are already going down, people are fed up. Without seeing the attendances I would guess we are 20% down on last season and 30% down on away following, I predict at least the same next season unless there are serious changes.

You cannot pass off guesswork as fact!

We haven't gone down yet, and...while it's mathematically possible to stay up, we may still do? But, you're conveniently forgetting that DF assembled a squad that did get promotion at the first time of asking, and that gates increased with this achievement...as always happens! Not sure where your %age figures come from, apart from your febrile mind? Certainly, away support s holding up seems to be holding up - whether that's because fans want to go and have a good moan at the team, or genuinely support them? But, there are more factors involved in falling attendances  than just apathy or anger! As you allude to - much of your post is guesswork!

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14 hours ago, Spunk Trumpet said:

Where have I ever said I boo players?

 

With each passing day you are making yourself look a Richard. 
 

Keep going for everyone’s entertainment. 
To watch you melt down is quite good fun.

Again - you are not realising that "you" means the fans who share your point of view, not necessarily you, yourself! I have already made this clear in a previous reply - if you choose to ignore this, or are unable to read written English is your problem, not mine - but it does leave you looking stupid, each time. Sorry, Spunky...nowhere near meltdown yet - it's like arguing with a brick! 

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14 hours ago, Spunk Trumpet said:

And again my lancy friend. You’re very very very angry for a happy clapper.

Reel it in a bit sunshine and chill out. 
 

You’re letting too many posters bother you. 
 

Start posting with some logic over emotion and then you may get a good debate with somebody. Until then it seems you’re pretty much on your own.

Have a wonderful day.
 

Hahahaha,...no counter argument from you, just pathetic attempts to "bother me" and have me "chill out"...but, why would I do that when you've run out of arguments? 

It's time...for other people's saje...to let this drop. If you want to continue with your badly-construcyed "arguments" that's fine - message me?

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9 hours ago, LancyTony said:

You cannot pass off guesswork as fact!

We haven't gone down yet, and...while it's mathematically possible to stay up, we may still do? But, you're conveniently forgetting that DF assembled a squad that did get promotion at the first time of asking, and that gates increased with this achievement...as always happens! Not sure where your %age figures come from, apart from your febrile mind? Certainly, away support s holding up seems to be holding up - whether that's because fans want to go and have a good moan at the team, or genuinely support them? But, there are more factors involved in falling attendances  than just apathy or anger! As you allude to - much of your post is guesswork!

A lot of predictions are guesswork as was the post I was responding to which said that our gates will not decrease much even if we get relegated. It’s a fair presumption we will go down rather than total guesswork and even said I am guessing when estimating the current drop in attendances, which I’ve just checked and we are 11% down on last season home attendances and 29% down on away following, so I wasn’t far off. Plus I never gave any reason why attendances have and will continue to drop, I just predicted they would so get your head out of your ass and post something useful rather that might actually agree or disagree.

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Do the players have a say in how they line up and play or do they just follow orders and play as they are told by the manager or D O F  Carol cannot be pleased with whats going on she is losing the fans and club.  

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5 hours ago, philpvfc said:

A lot of predictions are guesswork as was the post I was responding to which said that our gates will not decrease much even if we get relegated. It’s a fair presumption we will go down rather than total guesswork and even said I am guessing when estimating the current drop in attendances, which I’ve just checked and we are 11% down on last season home attendances and 29% down on away following, so I wasn’t far off. Plus I never gave any reason why attendances have and will continue to drop, I just predicted they would so get your head out of your ass and post something useful rather that might actually agree or disagree.

Away following will sure to  suffer if/when we go down.

No full Bycars with Derby, Bolton or Barnsley gone, replaced by Forest Green Rovers, Crawley etc.

To make it worse relegation would also result in not playing well supported teams promoted from L2, such as Wrexham, Mansfield etc, and of course our stripey neighbours.

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4 minutes ago, jimbo57 said:

Away following will sure to  suffer if/when we go down.

No full Bycars with Derby, Bolton or Barnsley gone, replaced by Forest Green Rovers, Crawley etc.

To make it worse relegation would also result in not playing well supported teams promoted from L2, such as Wrexham, Mansfield etc, and of course our stripey neighbours.

Agreed. I remember when we first went down under Bratt and we were going to places like Barnet etc. Home matches against those clubs were flat. League 2 is where established league clubs like us go to die. 
 

Our playoff win was different. We believed it was the start of better things. Relegation this time won’t be. 

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