May on the way??

[Jacko51]

Who was it on here who said that the Darroch leaks were probably a remainer plot?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/21/teenage-brexit-party-official-says-helped-expose-us-ambassador/

 

 

[mr.hobblesworth]

1 hour ago, For Us All said:

Do you think Tom Watson will jump before he's pushed?

I hope the disingenuous lying piece of <ovf censored> gets fired in to the face of the sun, alongside Wes, Jess, Stella et al.

[Heatwave]

37 minutes ago, mr.hobblesworth said:

I hope the disingenuous lying piece of <ovf censored> gets fired in to the face of the sun, alongside Wes, Jess, Stella et al.

I've always thought that Tom Watson and his ilk were from the saner end of the Labour spectrum. 

When it comes to a general election though - and this may come sooner rather than later - my vote will be placed on the basis of policies rather than personalities. And Jezza has said nothing so far on how he intends campaigning for another referendum which is a given if the country isn't going to descend into recession if not virtual civil war. 

[mr.hobblesworth]

I'm not sure I get what you mean by the 2nd paragraph? Corbyn has already said that (almost) any deal needs to go back to the people and that the party (including himself) would back remain.

[ginge]

2 hours ago, For Us All said:

No it wasn't,it kept us in the Single Market.

No it did not. And we could still be in the single market and not in the EU. There's a difference. Get your facts right. Are Norway or Switzerland in the EU? And the single market was not on the ballot paper. It was leaving the EU treaties.

[ginge]

2 hours ago, Jacko51 said:

Arch brexiteer Owen Paterson said before the referendum that only a madman would talk about leaving the single market.

And guess who said this on the Monday after the referendum:

"I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe, and always will be. There will still be intense and intensifying European cooperation and partnership in a huge number of fields: the arts, the sciences, the universities, and on improving the environment. EU citizens living in this country will have their rights fully protected, and the same goes for British citizens living in the EU. 

British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down. As the German equivalent of the CBI – the BDI – has very sensibly reminded us, there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market. Britain is and always will be a great European power, offering top-table opinions and giving leadership on everything from foreign policy to defence to counter-terrorism and intelligence-sharing – all the things we need to do together to make our world safer."

Raab said that leaving the single market would be scaremongering.

Daniel Hannan of Leave. EU also said we wouldn't leave the single market. 

Farage also said we should get a Norway style deal. I.e. in the single market.

[Regal Beagle]

David Cameron, June 12: “The British public would be voting, if we Leave, to leave the EU and leave the Single Market.”

George Osborne, June 8: “We’d be out of the Single Market, that’s the reality, Britain would be quitting, quitting the Single Market.”

Michael Gove, May 8: “We should be outside the Single Market.”

Nigel Farage, February 22: “I don’t want to be part of the European Single Market, I want Britain to leave the European Union, be an independent country and trade with the world”.

[Regal Beagle]

Boris Johnson, June 5: Said that Gove was right on the Single Market issue.

The government’s leaflet supporting Remain during the referendum said leaving meant there was a risk the UK could lose “full access” to the single market, but didn’t rule it out. It highlighted that, in terms of striking a trade deal if we left the EU, “no other country has managed to secure significant access to the Single Market” without significant trade-offs, including having to “follow EU rules over which they have no real say, pay into the EU, (and) accept EU citizens living and working in their country.

 

https://fullfact.org/europe/what-was-promised-about-customs-union-referendum/

[On leavers talking about staying in the single market] - It’s fair to say that these examples are the exception rather than the rule when it comes to claims about the single market

 

 

So yeah, it simply isn't true that leavers wanted to stay in the single market in 2016. It is true that there were remainers who recognised it meant leaving, including the PM and his leaflet.

[ginge]

57 minutes ago, Regal Beagle said:

David Cameron, June 12: “The British public would be voting, if we Leave, to leave the EU and leave the Single Market.”

George Osborne, June 8: “We’d be out of the Single Market, that’s the reality, Britain would be quitting, quitting the Single Market.”

Michael Gove, May 8: “We should be outside the Single Market.”

Nigel Farage, February 22: “I don’t want to be part of the European Single Market, I want Britain to leave the European Union, be an independent country and trade with the world”.

Farage clearly just said what he felt like on the day as he has on camera said he wanted a Norway deal with single market access.

Before the vote we hadn't negotiated our exit. The referendum was a blank cheque. The paper that was pushed through our door from the government saying we'd respect the result also said we would negotiate a deal. 

But the point is you should get your facts right, Theresa May's deal if gone ahead, WAS leaving the EU. 

[mr.hobblesworth]

New PM today lads! Can't wait to get that high-speed broadband.

[ginge]

53 minutes ago, Regal Beagle said:

 

[On leavers talking about staying in the single market] - It’s fair to say that these examples are the exception rather than the rule when it comes to claims about 

Banks wanted a Norway deal with single market access.

Richard Tice wanted a trade agreement with the EU.

Owen Paterson said only a madman would leave the market.

Luke Johnson wanted a Norway/Switzerland deal

Matthew Elliot said an EEA option would be attractive.

And on recent votings the majority of the public have voted for parties who oppose no deal. 

 

 

[Regal Beagle]

Ah ok so we're moving the goal posts from single market MEMBERSHIP to single party ACCESS now?

 

Subtle but it completely changes the meaning of all of those "bombshell" quotes you have.

 

Obviously a trade deal with ACCESS to the single market would be the best outcome. We're not prepared to negotiate on free movement and sovereignty and neither are they, so that is not possible now.

 

When the majority of people voted to leave the EU to hand sovereignty back to the UK, you cannot claim that a deal which keeps EU sovereignty is leaving the EU. It's quite telling that a vociferous remainer would think that it is leaving, because you obviously want us to remain as much as possible, and this is way for you to say that we've left but actually we've not left.

[geosname]

1 hour ago, ginge said:

Farage clearly just said what he felt like on the day as he has on camera said he wanted a Norway deal with single market access.

Before the vote we hadn't negotiated our exit. The referendum was a blank cheque. The paper that was pushed through our door from the government saying we'd respect the result also said we would negotiate a deal. 

But the point is you should get your facts right, Theresa May's deal if gone ahead, WAS leaving the EU. 

So a crap deal is better than no deal?...... ooohhh there are 27 of them we had better just accept the scraps they throw us.

[ginge]

13 minutes ago, geosname said:

So a crap deal is better than no deal?......

Yes

[Regal Beagle]

Just now, ginge said:

Yes

How can that be true?