Brexit again...

[tommytunstall]

2 hours ago, whotobeakiller said:

They didn't want Brexit and still don't want it. They are merely attempting to cling onto their seats. Both have not got  an overwhelming majority in their constituencies

I voted Remain, but so much time has gone, I just want to leave and get it sorted, but not without a deal. I imagine our local MPs felt the same way. They are probably not only brassed of with the time it is taking but also the games the party leaders are playing 

[Fosse69]

3 hours ago, geosname said:

Where has this "thrust into a leadership role" sprung from..... he could have simply said no.... take my name off the ballot paper.

The old saying, some leaders are born, some are made, others have it thrust upon them. 

[Fosse69]

2 hours ago, geosname said:

And demanding a second referendum does?

Why not? If during the Article 50 process parliament decides that an update of the countries view of the actual  Brexit is required, democracy is continuous. 

[For Us All]

19 hours ago, Davebrad said:

its not our fault he called a referendum, with parliaments permission, and we answered what he and they collectively decided to ask us...spured on by the promise that the result would be honoured.

Spot on.

They gave us a referendum,we voted on it and Leave won.

It's not our fault the Remainers don't like the the result?

[For Us All]

1 hour ago, Nofinikea said:

God you are boring.

It's not our fault you voted for something so vague you had no idea what it was you were actually voting for...

"We were asked to leave and we said leave" blah blah blah...

It's a puerile argument you make constantly because it does not represent the real world.  You know it but that doesnt matter because you are 8.

Boring,so what makes you so exciting.

Studying hedge funding perhaps?

[Davebrad]

2 hours ago, Nofinikea said:

And you think the turnout was because of something David Cameron said? 

The thing with that turnout is, everybody who wanted out turned out.  A fair number of folk who wanted to remain didnt turn out because they ddnt think leave could win.  A 2nd referendum wouldnt see then make the same mistake which is the real reason none of you brexiteers want another vote.  You cant believe you won the first one and know you have no chance of repeating that result.  

correct, those who wanted change turned out and voted for it, so now those who wanted to remain who didn't bother to vote are crying and whinging and are trying to get a second chance... not very democratic is it.

[Davebrad]

2 hours ago, Nofinikea said:

Cutting your nose off to spite your face springs to mind.  At least you acknowledge that in actual fact a second referendum would deliver a very different result.

 

no, i'm not, and why do we need another vote, we've had the one that counted and a result was achieved, if a second was taken and the result was the same you'd still complain, if it was different we would complain, and it would go on and on...

[geosname]

8 hours ago, Fosse69 said:

The old saying, some leaders are born, some are made, others have it thrust upon them. 

He isn't a leader.

[geosname]

8 hours ago, Fosse69 said:

Why not? If during the Article 50 process parliament decides that an update of the countries view of the actual  Brexit is required, democracy is continuous. 

So everyone was behind leaving until article 50 was invoked, then they changed their minds when they discovered what it entailed..... sounds like they didn't know what they were doing.

[geosname]

6 hours ago, Nofinikea said:

At least it would be an honest question then....

We know what kind of deal we can negotiate because there are already examples out there.  We also know what it costs to get one of those deals however it depends on whichever government is in place as to what is acceptable.

Bottom line is, we already have the best deal and like it or not, 52% were wrong last time around.  I happen to think all the issues since have proven this to be the case.  However another referendum, confirmatory or otherwise would of course be more accurate than the last one because Boris and Nige cant just talk <ovf censored> this time as we have all seen it's nothing like what they promised previously.

Also, why cant we agree a withdrawal and then negotiate the actual deal and put that to the public.  Just because we withdraw, there is a transition period and it was already said previously that we can change our mind at any point during the transition period.

We don't know what kind of deal we can negotiate, we know what others have managed.

We don't know if we have the best deal because we don't know the alternative, yet.

52% were wrong? So democracy is wrong? So the majority who enacted article 50 were wrong? The huge majority who voted to hold a referendum were wrong? The majority who voted jezza as leader were wrong? Every election result since they began were wrong? The Ben act is wrong?..... Wow we are in a mess. The majority in another referendum,  by your logic, would also be wrong..... the minority are they way to true democracy?

Your last paragraph is more than a little odd.

[geosname]

6 hours ago, Nofinikea said:

Mr neutral strikes again 

You are jumping on the titanic after it's hit the iceburg again. 

Although I don't like it I think the only way to truly honour democracy in this situation is to leave then hold the second referendum. 

[geosname]

Question.

I'm struggling to understand the arguments around workers rights etc. 

After we left the EU wouldn't this issue and many others become the responsibility of parliament? The decision to keep up with or advance further than EU policy on such matters would surely be parliaments decision.

[geosname]

7 hours ago, Nofinikea said:

And you think the turnout was because of something David Cameron said? 

The thing with that turnout is, everybody who wanted out turned out.  A fair number of folk who wanted to remain didnt turn out because they ddnt think leave could win.  A 2nd referendum wouldnt see then make the same mistake which is the real reason none of you brexiteers want another vote.  You cant believe you won the first one and know you have no chance of repeating that result.  

So apathy rules?

Are you are making the assumption that remain voters couldn't give a rat's ass until they lost? Only leave voters had enough conviction to actually get off their collective asses? If there was another referendum the dissinterested, all remainers by your reckoning, would suddenly leap up and rush to vote? 

Or are you suggesting that the voters who actually did something to achieve what they wanted by going to vote should be ignored and the apathetic know best?

That would make every vote interesting.... but who decides which way the apathetic none votes should be cast?...... the losers?..... do they get them by default because they failed?..... I wonder how many people didn't vote for Boris or jezza becoming leader. How many didn't vote for Labour or Tory when Blair or Cameron won...... this could change the face of politics completely.

You do realise that if you count the none votes for the losers they become the winners and the none votes then have to revert to the losers who become winners and on and on and on.

[geosname]

On 23/10/2019 at 00:08, For Us All said:

Someone's trying to shut you down geo?

[Howjy04]

11 hours ago, For Us All said:

Boring,so what makes you so exciting.

Studying hedge funding perhaps?

He’s too busy dodging Nazi Stormtroopers,Tone.