Labour MP Tristram Hunt Resigns

[geosname]

Dont make the assumption that the labour MPs represent the working class people, they represent the labour party who aligns its self with the working class people to try to gain power. The grass roots beginnings of the working class party of the people have long gone, the last remnants were shrugged off by blair who adopted tory policies after winning the election.

A separate problem is that some working class people dont think they are working class, sometime because they dont have to struggle as their parents/grand parents did, other times because the edges of working classness are fudged and smudged.

The people who have usually vote for the people who let them keep it, the have nots tend to vote for the people who say they will give it to them.

 

Or perhaps Im just an old cynic

 

I was born to working class parents who were poor, didnt like it so did something about it... I used to be a labour voter and shop steward [AUEW]... I wouldnt vote labour now because for all the well worn rhetoric I cant see much difference between the parties and I dont see a viable alternative in any of the fringe parties

[Fosse69]

Why are the government bringing in 500 doctors from Poland? Surely after 7 years safeguarding the NHS they should have been prepared? Cant blame that on Stoke`s Hunt.

[SourceOfTheTrent]

Why are the government bringing in 500 doctors from Poland? Surely after 7 years safeguarding the NHS they should have been prepared? Cant blame that on Stoke`s Hunt.

 

13% of doctor training places unfilled last year and 1 in 3 GP'S considering retiring soon. The government should be alarmed by that, why can't we attract students to train for a career that pays over £100k a year plus pension?

 

Why is it that whenever we have a Tory government we have crises in the NHS? Coincidence?

[geosname]

13% of doctor training places unfilled last year and 1 in 3 GP'S considering retiring soon. The government should be alarmed by that, why can't we attract students to train for a career that pays over £100k a year plus pension?

 

Why is it that whenever we have a Tory government we have crises in the NHS? Coincidence?

 

When was the last time we didnt have a crisis in the NHS

[Jacko51]

But living in the real world what do you think has been happening in the UK in the past few years? You are one example...Just One, why people within the Labour party fail to 'get' why many people are in complete and utter anger and dismay.

 

In 2004 the Labour party sent search parties to get immigrants in (starting a seemingly innocent crusade to fill jobs that were not filled) Immigration was low at that time as the EU flood had not occurred but why send out search parties? Why not do what the Tories are doing and make it hard for people to stay on benefits then get a job?

 

The reason ws the long term strategy that would lead to thousands of British people being pushed into the margins. Wages would decrease because employers would take advantage of cheap Labour where workers from third world countries would work for next to nothing. Eventually this would lead to the Housing market increasing rents and the cost of mortgages increasing...meaning loads of people not able to access the housing ladder on low wages (Not everyone could afford or had the chance to stay in full time higher education EG University)

 

Live in the real world means people like yourself Jean (No disrespect) who has obviously had a good career yourself in Teaching but misses what many have suffered in lower educated or skilled jobs. This is the reason that many are supposed to work...to get on the property ladder...it is one of the reasons people get up in the morning. Of course, only higher paid education people can afford to save so meaning many work with no incentive...This is what many of the politicians have failed to grasp (Or have they)

 

Maybe its simply because The Labour party have been found out that people are abandoning the PLP in their droves

 

I'm not sure why the issue of immigration has been brought into this discussion of whether or not Hunt has been a successful MP for the area.

 

With regard to my "successful career" which you refer to, I had a decent career because I worked bloody hard. I was the first person in my family to go to university and I went at a time when it was hard to get in because there were so few places compared to today. I did not get a place because my parents were well off, far from it, but because I worked hard to get it. I was fortunate enough to go at a time when university grants were available and I got a full grant every year because my father's income was so low. I also worked in all my holidays because the grant was small.

 

In my job, however, I came across so many people in this city who had low aspirations and had no real desire to do the best they could. This is sadly a feature of Stoke-on-Trent - low aspirations is the name of the game in this city.

 

Finally, you seem to be making an assumption that I am a member of or am in some way linked to the Labour Party. I'm not and never have been. I simply think that Tristram Hunt did a decent job in his role in this city and the abuse he has received on this thread is totally uncalled for.

[Jacko51]

He isn't saying that Hunt couldn't help the people he represented. Just that he can't be the best placed person to represent them. I can throw as much cash as I like at African charities, but I don't know if that is the best way to help them.

 

It's a strange point to bring up third world poverty issues. Almost as if it is not a valid arguement that Stoke is a deprived area. Of course it could be a thousand times worse for us but that doesn't change who we are, our city and what every one of us believes is the best way to improve it.

 

Labour desperately need to remember who they purport to represent. Shipping in another upper middle class politician from nowhere near Stoke in the lazy belief that they have a safe seat may not work this time round. Depending who the tories and Ukip put up of course.

 

The African poverty comment was simply a means of demonstrating that you don't have to have suffered from something to empathise with those who do.

[Jacko51]

The more of this thread I read with comments made by jacko and her sickofant possee the more I am convinced this countries ills will only be fixed by an Arab spring type uprising to rid us of the criminal ruling classes !

 

Off you go then, mate. I'll watch the progress of your revolution with interest.

[SourceOfTheTrent]

Dont make the assumption that the labour MPs represent the working class people, they represent the labour party who aligns its self with the working class people to try to gain power. The grass roots beginnings of the working class party of the people have long gone, the last remnants were shrugged off by blair who adopted tory policies after winning the election.

A separate problem is that some working class people dont think they are working class, sometime because they dont have to struggle as their parents/grand parents did, other times because the edges of working classness are fudged and smudged.

The people who have usually vote for the people who let them keep it, the have nots tend to vote for the people who say they will give it to them.

 

Or perhaps Im just an old cynic

 

I was born to working class parents who were poor, didnt like it so did something about it... I used to be a labour voter and shop steward [AUEW]... I wouldnt vote labour now because for all the well worn rhetoric I cant see much difference between the parties and I dont see a viable alternative in any of the fringe parties

 

Much as it disappoints me I have to agree with much of what you say about the Labour movement which is why I see Corbyn as a breath of fresh air, not because I particularly like him but because he's a socialist leading the supposed socialist party. I always said Tony Blair's government was a Tory wet government but that's how they got in power and stayed there, unfortunately this country is basically right wing and even the disaffected are not politicized, they 'know their place' under the class system. Personally I decided a while ago to just vote for whoever had policies most in line with my own beliefs rather than stick to supporting the party I always had in the hope it hadn't really changed into something different. The likes of Tristram Hunt represent that difference, not because he's from a privileged background but because he's basically a Tory wet with a social conscience, not a bad person but one who, for me, doesn't want to see fundamental change in society or our economic model, eg, he's opposed to a mixed economy which is a fundamental of even slightly left wing politics.

 

Most of our grandparents (or great grandparents for you young whippersnappers) were born without the right to vote and didn't have it until the 1918 Representation of the People Act (which still meant women had to be 30+) and grew up to support what was then a fringe party with no hope of power. By 1945 that party gained power and provided us with the best government we've ever had which is why I hope that some political movement that is on the fringes may come forward and repeat that act. Maybe the future Labour Party if it returns to its core values?

 

Although I am working class I don't see that as the reason to espouse emancipation of the socio-economically deprived, I just think that's the fair and equitable way forward for any society. Personally I have had good opportunities in life and have everything I want and, in theory, fit the profile of a typical Tory voter. However, I'm a lifelong trade union member even though I have my own business and do not benefit from the union because I strongly believe in the power of the collective, apart from probably the Black Death it's the only thing that's ever given the ordinary populace any improvements. I couldn't vote Tory, or UKIP, in a million years because they represent the privilege of the few even though they need the support of voters who will actually be worse off under their policies.

[man in the pub]

How on earth can you judge someone's socialist credentials by his name?? On that basis Anthony Wedgwood Benn, Lord Stansgate, should never have been allowed anywhere near the Labour Party.

 

It seems that unless you were born in a cardboard box on the streets in Hanley and are called Albert, you have no right to represent the people of Stoke.

 

Looks like Albert it is then Jacko.

[geosname]

How on earth can you judge someone's socialist credentials by his name?? On that basis Anthony Wedgwood Benn, Lord Stansgate, should never have been allowed anywhere near the Labour Party.

 

It seems that unless you were born in a cardboard box on the streets in Hanley and are called Albert, you have no right to represent the people of Stoke.

 

I think the cardboard box elevates albert to lower middle class... when I were a lad we couldnt get cardboard, we had to nick the newspaper out of outhouses to try and stay warm....

[whotobeakiller]

I couldn't vote Tory, or UKIP, in a million years because they represent the privilege of the few even though they need the support of voters who will actually be worse off under their policies.

 

The distinct difference between UKIP and Tories is that UKIP are the true Liberal party. To be in power there needs to be a pull of the vote share from Left to Right.

 

Labour are too left and would in their own way make it harder for people to get on with their irresponsible attitude to immigration which to date they have still not addressed. People voted leave not because they thought a magic wand would be waved but because someone had to make a stand...and the referendum was the stand. Coming out of the EU will bring long term benefit that will see some of the Worlds elite lose some of their wealth...it wont break them, but its a start and a bigger start than Comrade Corbyn would have given us

[Fosse69]

Depends if people vote for more NHS funding or not.

[Erniemossrules]

Double your wages and a job for life no contest.

[Jacko51]

Depends if people vote for more NHS funding or not.

 

I thought they already had in the Referendum?

[Fosse69]

I thought they already had in the Referendum?

So did a lot of people, who trusts politicians?