RIP Orlando victims

[Bea Smith]

Another unspeakable crime, which the US seems not to want to blame on ISIS - and not a single post on it on OVF, despite hundreds after Bataclan Paris and the Belgian attacks.

 

Notable also that on Twitter one religious hate freak that plenty of you know who that posts on everything and anything, can find time to condemn a naked bike ride in London but cannot find a word of compassion when 49 innocents die thanks to religious hatred and lack of gun control.

 

Haven't heard a word quoted from Trump or Clinton either.

Prejudice is alive and well everywhere from Orlando to Dallas and everywhere east of Germany it seems.

[mr.hobblesworth]

Haven't heard a word quoted from Trump or Clinton either.

 

They both tweeted about it. Trump predictably tried to turn it to his political advantage, even stating "Appreciate the congrats for being right on radical Islamic terrorism, I don't want congrats, I want toughness & vigilance. We must be smart!"

 

Prejudice is alive and well everywhere from Orlando to Dallas and everywhere east of Germany it seems.

 

It wasn't too long ago that some Vale fans were singing songs mocking those killed and attacked in the Old Compton Street nail bombing.

 

Anyway, a truly saddening event, a sickening, barbaric attack on the LGBT community and my thoughts are with all those affected.

[Jacko51]

Sometimes, Bea, people are just lost for words.

[Bea Smith]

Sometimes, Bea, people are just lost for words.

 

Sometimes saying or doing nothing is not the best course -

I remember reading a test by Pastor Martin Niemuller written at the time when the Nazis came to power and picked off minorities one at a time, and people said nothing

 

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Socialist.

 

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

 

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Jew.

 

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

There are many people who are lost for words only at timeswhen it suits them Jacko.

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[Jacko51]

What did you want us to say? I have debated the matter on another message board and will copy and paste its entire contents if you want. Just because there isn't a thread on here doesn't mean that people aren't absolutely appalled by what happened and just because we aren't discussing it on a predominently football message board doesn't mean that we are immune to the events in Florida.

[Bea Smith]

What did you want us to say? I have debated the matter on another message board and will copy and paste its entire contents if you want. Just because there isn't a thread on here doesn't mean that people aren't absolutely appalled by what happened and just because we aren't discussing it on a predominently football message board doesn't mean that we are immune to the events in Florida.

 

 

The fact that you replied surely shows you that you were not one of the people I was referring to.

It just seems strange that those who open threads with great enthusiasm to post moral judgements when footballers have naughty nights out or Jeremy Corbyn doesn't wear a tie go missing when it is convenient for them to do so.

It was also more of a general observation that millions of tweets and posts were made after Paris Bataclan, but relatively far fewer this time, sadly proving to me that there is still considerably more prejudice than some people will admit.

I've said my piece, out of respect, I will leave it there unless directly addressed.

[Jacko51]

The fact that you replied surely shows you that you were not one of the people I was referring to.

It just seems strange that those who open threads with great enthusiasm to post moral judgements when footballers have naughty nights out or Jeremy Corbyn doesn't wear a tie go missing when it is convenient for them to do so.

It was also more of a general observation that millions of tweets and posts were made after Paris Bataclan, but relatively far fewer this time, sadly proving to me that there is still considerably more prejudice than some people will admit.

I've said my piece, out of respect, I will leave it there unless directly addressed.

 

If you are suggesting that folk haven't started a thread on this because it was only a gay bar so doesn't matter as much then I am appalled. If that's not what you're suggesting then I apologise.

[JOHNNYAITCH]

They both tweeted about it. Trump predictably tried to turn it to his political advantage, even stating "Appreciate the congrats for being right on radical Islamic terrorism, I don't want congrats, I want toughness & vigilance. We must be smart!"

 

Typical of people like him to hijack such a terrible event for their own benefit and ego rather than focus at this time on the tragic victims..now is a time for sombre respect for them..the rest can wait

 

 

 

 

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[Tomo]

I wouldn't look too much into it Bea, could just be that people are either busy or didn't feel they wanted to start a thread on it. With all the arguments that spill out on here so often, I wouldn't be surprised.

 

I didn't start one just because I don't really use this section of the site that much, come on here for football mainly, & didn't feel the need to discuss it. I think we all agree it's a terrible event, but what else I have to say about it has already been said by millions, & I've expressed it elsewhere already.

[Paul6754]

Yet another atrocity committed by someone known to the authorities, it's high time the powers that be started to be seriously more proactive than reactive. How many innocent people have to die to cater to the politically correct.

[Twitters]

The problem is Bea that nothing will change. We had Dunblaine and the Government acted. We saw those children dying and said no more.

 

America sees children dying. They see members of the LGBT community massacred. What does their right wing say? They use it as an argument to arm more people not less.

 

I love America, love the people and love the culture. But their right wing are totally screwed up. They value guns over lives. The NRA has more power than Rupert Murdoch could dream of. They make hedge funds look like trade unions in comparison.

 

My thoughts and sympathies are with those who have lost their loved ones through a senseless act of violence allowed to happen because people are too pig headed to give up their second amendment.

 

But what can we do? Unless something changes we will be here again in a year or two.

[Paul6754]

I want the gun laws to be changed in the USA but someone intent on killing will get their hands on guns in countries like the UK, France and Belgium which have strict gun laws, as recent events have shown. It is the Politically Correct in Western Countries who prevent something being done about Islamic Extremists and there are things that can be done but appeasement and hoping it will go away aren't any of them.

[whotobeakiller]

The guy who committed the atrocities worked for G4S and had authority through his job to use a gun. Capitalism has contributed to 50 deaths it seems

[whotobeakiller]

Another unspeakable crime, which the US seems not to want to blame on ISIS - and not a single post on it on OVF, despite hundreds after Bataclan Paris and the Belgian attacks.

 

Notable also that on Twitter one religious hate freak that plenty of you know who that posts on everything and anything, can find time to condemn a naked bike ride in London but cannot find a word of compassion when 49 innocents die thanks to religious hatred and lack of gun control.

 

Haven't heard a word quoted from Trump or Clinton either.

Prejudice is alive and well everywhere from Orlando to Dallas and everywhere east of Germany it seems.

 

Were you one of those whom supported refugees coming to the UK? How ironic.

[Santa]

I want the gun laws to be changed in the USA but someone intent on killing will get their hands on guns in countries like the UK, France and Belgium which have strict gun laws, as recent events have shown.

I think the other side of that argument would be the frequency of such shootings in the USA compared to what happened in Paris last November, or in Brussels (I can't remember how many people were shot there).

 

Does every mass shooting in America get labelled a terrorist incident or just the ones where the perpetrator isn't white?