Final deadline for Greece?

[davidatpreston]

You should decide to stay or leave europe on whether its the best thing for the UK... not greece or farage

 

Don't you think it's a bit over-the-top to tell people how they should make their decisions. if you want to choose on what is best for the UK, I wouldn't dream of telling you not to make that your criteria, but really don't think you have any right to tell others what criteria they should use.

 

I would add that although I highlighted those points, they are not the only ones - the EU has become a tool of NATO and is far from the trading alliance it started as, and what the British people voted to join - 6 countries of similar stature and lifestyle and prosperity, not Rumania Bulgaria and god help us we'll get lumbered with Ukraine and all its corruption soon.

 

On the other hand, the EU has protected us with some good food laws that stop US practices like GMO and chlorinating poultry and has assisted with health, safety and welfare in some, not all, areas.

 

Perhaps some people aremore concerned with a world view than a UK view.Or perhaps some are concerned with an English view than a UK one, and perhaps some are only concerned with what gets them the most profit.

 

I wonder what would happen if you made similar remarks to the government where you live, telling them what they should base their decisions on. In any event, I don't appreciate being told what I should base my decisions on thank you very much.

[geosname]

Im not sure you actually read the posts or just jump to conclusions after a brief scan.

Im not telling people what they must do, Im stating an opinion... the UK should decide what is best for the people of the UK.

Im not telling the government of any country what to do.... the electorate of that country give them a mandate.... if its democratic and has elections.

If its best for the UK to stay in europe it should stay, if it isnt it should leave.... but that decision [iN MY OPINION] shouldnt be based on the failures of the greek government, whether there are conditions to greek loans, whether there is bull fighting in spain, whether a volcano erupts in iceland or whether the sherry has gone off in portugal.... the primary consideration should be how it affects the people in the UK.

 

As to what you appreciate.... I dont give a rats ass.... especially considering some of the personal remarks you throw out

[davidatpreston]

Im not sure you actually read the posts or just jump to conclusions after a brief scan.

Im not telling people what they must do, Im stating an opinion... the UK should decide what is best for the people of the UK.

Im not telling the government of any country what to do.... the electorate of that country give them a mandate.... if its democratic and has elections.

If its best for the UK to stay in europe it should stay, if it isnt it should leave.... but that decision [iN MY OPINION] shouldnt be based on the failures of the greek government, whether there are conditions to greek loans, whether there is bull fighting in spain, whether a volcano erupts in iceland or whether the sherry has gone off in portugal.... the primary consideration should be how it affects the people in the UK.

 

As to what you appreciate.... I dont give a rats ass.... especially considering some of the personal remarks you throw out

 

 

Well, aren't you a charmer. I make a polite reply and get abused by an Admin. It rather feels like youre hoping I will respond rudely so you can have reason to take action, but all I'll say is that any personal remarks to the likes of abuse-merchants like REP, Jonny H and Guppy have been well deserved and usually the result of severe provocation. My post to you, as with previous ones, was not impolite or abusive in any way.

 

Just how am I supposed to read a post that starts 'You should decide to stay or leave Europe on whether it is the best thing fior the uk and not... etc' - maybe you didn't intend it to tell me what to do, but it clearly reads that way, it is an instruction not an opinion - ask someone else who knows you to read it and see what they think.

 

I presume you are saying what you posted meant 'I think a person should decide ,,, etc' but that isn't what came across, and Id already said you make your own opinipn and I make mine.

 

If someone chose to toss a coin to decide which way to vote, that's their decision, and nobody - you, I or anybody else - has the right to tell them what they should base their decision on.

 

Finally, my feelings on what you appreciate or do are the exactly same as yours for me. Have a delightful weekend.

[bookworm]

Well, aren't you a charmer. I make a polite reply and get abused by an Admin. It rather feels like youre hoping I will respond rudely so you can have reason to take action, but all I'll say is that any personal remarks to the likes of abuse-merchants like REP, Jonny H and Guppy have been well deserved and usually the result of severe provocation. My post to you, as with previous ones, was not impolite or abusive in any way.

 

Just how am I supposed to read a post that starts 'You should decide to stay or leave Europe on whether it is the best thing fior the uk and not... etc' - maybe you didn't intend it to tell me what to do, but it clearly reads that way, it is an instruction not an opinion - ask someone else who knows you to read it and see what they think.

 

I presume you are saying what you posted meant 'I think a person should decide ,,, etc' but that isn't what came across, and Id already said you make your own opinipn and I make mine.

 

If someone chose to toss a coin to decide which way to vote, that's their decision, and nobody - you, I or anybody else - has the right to tell them what they should base their decision on.

 

Finally, my feelings on what you appreciate or do are the exactly same as yours for me. Have a delightful weekend.

 

now then dap the playground is closed for the weekend so as the older pupils can break in and pinch all the computer equipment and sell it for wacky baccy.:D

[geosname]

Whatever people post is an opinion.... some may think and say it as fact but that doesnt make it so... I said "you" as a general collective because I wont be voting or deciding so you represents the general population who will be eligible to vote... and the primary focus should be on what is best for all, which should be represented by a majority vote [one way or the other]

 

If you report posts they will be dealt with... I have no interest in taking action, as you suggest above, I wouldnt deprive other posters of the comic value of your posts.

 

PS... my post wasnt abusive

[davidatpreston]

now then dap the playground is closed for the weekend so as the older pupils can break in and pinch all the computer equipment and sell it for wacky baccy.:D

 

If the school zoo is closed too, someone might ask - 'who rattled your cage' ?:)

[davidatpreston]

Whatever people post is an opinion.... some may think and say it as fact but that doesnt make it so... I said "you" as a general collective because I wont be voting or deciding so you represents the general population who will be eligible to vote... and the primary focus should be on what is best for all, which should be represented by a majority vote [one way or the other]

 

 

Again, in your opinion. though I seriously doubt many people vote at any election on what they think is best for all, mostly its what is best for themselves especially Tories

 

It is unfortunate that English uses the same pronoun for singular and plural 'you' (unlike German du and sie) but when you quote me directly and then say 'you should do such-and-such......' it would seem 100 per cent reasonable that your comment was in reply to me personally, otherwise you would have said 'someone should.....'. going round in cricles, as you don't seem to want to either admit that's what you meant, and whether you will be voting or not doesn't seem to have anything to do with it to me - if you quote me, then surely the reply is to me - no ?

 

 

If you report posts they will be dealt with... I have no interest in taking action, as you suggest above, I wouldnt deprive other posters of the comic value of your posts.

 

Glad to be of service if you are so easily amused. Nothing I post could be as funny as the post made by JA where he told me off for spelling his name wrongly (something I had done deliberately to annoy him) and the idiot posted 'you cant even sell Johnny' instead of spell.

 

[geosname]

I use quotes as a simple reference point as well as direct reply..... as in replying to the points you raise

"someone should" suggests singular

I didnt suggest your assumption was unreasonable I said it was wrong.... simply mistaken?

I realise some vote selfishly, some vote traditionally, some dont vote at all.... in my opinion they should vote for what is best for the country regarding the europe referendum.... if they are ever given the information to make the decision

[Little_Al]

I feel it is entirely reasonable to take into account the way in which the EU leaders treat the democratic wishes of the Greek people when deciding which way to vote in the referendum. I am also aware that the EU is moving towards a trade treaty with the USA (known as TTIP) which could have very serious consequences for the ability of all member countries to control their own affairs. It would be much better if the English newspapers paid attention to and explained that rather than digging up the activities of the royal family from 1933.

[Bea Smith]

I feel it is entirely reasonable to take into account the way in which the EU leaders treat the democratic wishes of the Greek people when deciding which way to vote in the referendum. I am also aware that the EU is moving towards a trade treaty with the USA (known as TTIP) which could have very serious consequences for the ability of all member countries to control their own affairs. It would be much better if the English newspapers paid attention to and explained that rather than digging up the activities of the royal family from 1933.

 

Agreed. There is also the fact that the TTIP proposals are being discussed in secret- why?

 

The US is desperate to get the EU to accept its disgusting and dangerous food rules is one reason - it would mean GM foods that were not labelled as such, poultry washed in chlorine ( this is banned in the EU), and cattle meat that is fed on chemicals and not grass - that is just a start.

 

Everyone needs to be aware of how these TTIP proposals are eroding our freedoms not to be poisoned, and many other ways the US is looking to take charge of our life and decisions before it is too late.

[man in the pub]

Very interesting last year I was in Corfu and got chatting to a Greek shop owner. He was totally anti German and held them totally responsible for the situation Greece was in. All they did was lend them the money. We had a chat about retirement , its 55 in Greece. I explained in the UK it was 66 and we couldn't understand how they could afford it. Now I know they cant, they have been living beyond their means.

[bookworm]

If the school zoo is closed too, someone might ask - 'who rattled your cage' ?:)

 

touche

[For Us All]

According to this report from two years ago the retirement age in Greece was 57 and was second lowest after Turkey,where they were allowed to retire at 45?

 

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/07/top-10-countries-with-a-low-retirement-age-2712562.html

[geosname]

Individual governments should be allowed to set the retirement age for its own people... providing they can afford it.

I retired at 50 and became eligible for state pension at 65 because I made the contributions

[JOHNNYAITCH]

if you quote me, then surely the reply is to me - no ?

 

What do you think (and by "you" I mean everyone on here)?

 

It's a response..not necessarily a reply.