Isis - Palmyra

[cheeky]

Why,what's happened in Kidsgrove?

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-32666720

[For Us All]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-32666720

 

Absolutely shocking,child abuse seems rife throughout the country.

[For Us All]

They could always launch one from one of those trucks they travel around in.:rolleyes:

[Paul6754]

Islam, isn't the problem, Religion in general isn't the problem; people are the problem. There are bad eggs of every colour creed and religion. To blame a whole religion on the acts of a minute percentage is ridiculous, ignorant and narrow minded. As an example how many of the "I'm not racist but.." crowd bang on about Rotherham but then are incredibly quiet on the ten Caucasian blokes recently arrested and charged from Kidsgrove?

 

Islam isn't merely a religion, it's a way of life and some of its followers are a problem causing mayhem, bloodshed and suffering around the world. It may have passed you by but in most countries where Islam is the main religion a minute percentage despots/fundamentalists completely control and dictate to a passive and subjugated majority by violence, threats of violence and draconian laws and ways.

 

The ridiculous, ignorant and narrow minded are those who choose to bury their heads in the sand to the threat of this way of life, those who's only argument is to quickly jump to the race card.

 

Just put Rotherham/Kidsgrove etc aside for the minute as they're not the subject of this topic but you are right in that "There are bad eggs of every color creed and religion" but again you miss the important point on this issue.

[Paul6754]

To a very large extent that is due to the arms and methods available to Israel (and all developed nations) in comparison to the groups you're referring to.

 

The shelling of young children playing on a beach by the Israeli navy, for example, is comparable to many of the acts of terror committed by Hamas.

 

Yes I agree and both sides need their heads knocking together to stop the violence and somehow find a solution. I received a totally different perspective of the Palestinian situation from a family of Palestinians and their friends from Ramallah on the West Bank whom we got to know very well in the 80's, so I have much empathy for their plight.

[carl]

Islam, isn't the problem, Religion in general isn't the problem; people are the problem. There are bad eggs of every colour creed and religion. To blame a whole religion on the acts of a minute percentage is ridiculous, ignorant and narrow minded. As an example how many of the "I'm not racist but.." crowd bang on about Rotherham but then are incredibly quiet on the ten Caucasian blokes recently arrested and charged from Kidsgrove?

 

Religion is the problem but people are peer pressured or brainwashed into their believes against other religions. You need to step aside Cheeky, and take in the full picture. Racism is a two way street..why do you think Christians are being killed by Muslims?

 

As for your claim that 'people are not saying anything about the Kidsgrove issue' then have you actually taken the time to find out when those crimes were committed up to the time they were arrested in comparison to the Rotherham criminals who went unnoticed for years, and on a bigger scale?

[For Us All]

21 killed in IS attack on mosque in Saudi Arabia.

 

http://t.co/pY5RJx4ghW

[sandbach_valiant]

Racism is a two way street..why do you think Christians are being killed by Muslims?

 

The victims of ISIS have overwhelmingly been other Muslims.

 

Why do you think Muslims kill Muslims?

[Santa]

Modern Muslim extremism derives from an extreme interpretation of Islam known as Wahhabism. The Wahhabis were a ruthless group who allied with the Al Saud family to conquer the territories that now make up Saudi Arabia and deliver Saud as the king. Saud let American prospectors in who found oil soon after and since then, the royal family has had to tread a fine line between cooperating with the west and not upsetting the conservative religious establishment there.

 

One of the ways they have done this is by using millions of dollars from their oil revenue to fund schools to export their fundamentalism around the world in other Islamic countries, including Afghanistan. Just as the USA helped the Taliban and OBL to fight the Soviets, their petrodollars had been for years funding the teachings that formed the basis of their extremism.

 

For a long time the US turned a blind eye to Islamic fundamentalism and even helped it along the way, purely because it was considered to be useful against Communism and also other political movements with socialist tendencies such as Nasserism.

[steauavaliant]

Modern Muslim extremism derives from an extreme interpretation of Islam known as Wahhabism. The Wahhabis were a ruthless group who allied with the Al Saud family to conquer the territories that now make up Saudi Arabia and deliver Saud as the king. Saud let American prospectors in who found oil soon after and since then, the royal family has had to tread a fine line between cooperating with the west and not upsetting the conservative religious establishment there.

 

 

Bet you dont get posts like this on "The oatcake"!

One of the ways they have done this is by using millions of dollars from their oil revenue to fund schools to export their fundamentalism around the world in other Islamic countries, including Afghanistan. Just as the USA helped the Taliban and OBL to fight the Soviets, their petrodollars had been for years funding the teachings that formed the basis of their extremism.

 

For a long time the US turned a blind eye to Islamic fundamentalism and even helped it along the way, purely because it was considered to be useful against Communism and also other political movements with socialist tendencies such as Nasserism.

[who was markin him?]

I'm baffled as to why we don't divide Iraq up, its formation was an agreement between 2 French and British civil servants. Let the Kurds have a pro western progressive republic. I can see why they needed it before as a bulwark against Iran but the Iranians, Hezbollah and Kurds only troops with skill, discipline and will to fight ISIS. The US were quiet when the current Baghdad regime purged their armies officer corp and placed their cronies in charge of the military. The Iraqi garrison at Ramadi had held out for months before it evacuated the City after the Baghdad govt kept ignoring pleas for supplies and reinforcements. They need look at the rulers in Baghdad. As for Syria its time to back Assad unfortunately his Army has remained fairly loyal at its core and the alternatives to Assad do not appeal. I think and hope Palmyra will be held in Ancient times it was an important buffer state. ISIS will eventually be defeated but it will take years and only with local troops adding western troops on a large scale I doubt is the answer.

[For Us All]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/just-days-after-seizing-palmyra-isis-massacres-400-people-in-the-ancient-city-10272934.html

[kevin_struggles]

That doesn't justify it though, or explain why it could be a conceivable resolution to this issue.

 

Plus, the use of WMDs is about as meddlesome as you can get.

 

In any case, Britain has been heavily involved in regime change for centuries, so its rather difficult to pinpoint when it would have been best to drop the habit for good.

 

But, in hindsight, removing Saddam does appear to have backfired in many ways. For all of his very, very grim faults, it does seem that his secular and singular authority kept the development of this kind of movement at bay.

 

I suppose the aftermath is, in certain ways, quite a bit like what happened with the Balkans post-Tito.

 

I havent tried to justify dropping the bomb or suggested it as an answer. I dont think any form of military intervention in someone elses country is ever the answer.

 

as far as I am concerned our armed forces have one job, to protect the British people from outside threats. We have no business sending our military forces to another country unless it is to protect us from an imminent threat.

 

As I have said many times we are not the world police and have no right to force our values and way of life onto another country, at gunpoint or otherwise.

 

Wars have consequences and shouldnt be undertaken lightly. Our interference has already resulted in the deaths of countless innocent civilians and many more will die asa direct result of the power vacuum we leave when we remove a leader.

 

We need to get out and stay out.

[For Us All]

Might have to rely on Iran to sort out IS?

[fuzzyvalefan]

Islam is a cancer on the world and ISIS is the major symptom.