Gunmen kill 12 in terrorist attack - Paris

[JOHNNYAITCH]

He has a point..crudely put, but effective.

[Bea Smith]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/01/10/think-muslims-should-apologise-for-charlie-hebdo-massacre-listen-to-this_n_6448474.html

 

This has been doing all the rounds on social media but it is worth listening to, particularly those who think that Muslims should be apologising for those psychopaths.

 

No one needs to apologise for something they haven't done.

 

It really isn't a question of apologising, it is a question of making it abundantly clear and 100 per cent transparent and saying loudly that they condemn what has (falsely) been done in the name of their religion. To my mind, this action has only been taken by a tiny minority so far. That is the problem.

[cheshirevaliant]

No one needs to apologise for something they haven't done.

 

It really isn't a question of apologising, it is a question of making it abundantly clear and 100 per cent transparent and saying loudly that they condemn what has (falsely) been done in the name of their religion. To my mind, this action has only been taken by a tiny minority so far. That is the problem.

 

Again though, how do you know only a "tiny minority" are condemning it? I know a few Muslims, but I haven't rung them up to ask if they disagree with going into magazine headquarters and supermarkets and spraying AK47 bullets around. Maybe if I did, they would condemn it and it would put my mind at rest. Or maybe, they don't need to actually come out and say they condemn it because 99.99999% of them are decent, law-abiding people. I didn't condemn every attack in Northern Ireland. Maybe as a British person, I should have done?

[Bea Smith]

Again though, how do you know only a "tiny minority" are condemning it? I know a few Muslims, but I haven't rung them up to ask if they disagree with going into magazine headquarters and supermarkets and spraying AK47 bullets around. Maybe if I did, they would condemn it and it would put my mind at rest. Or maybe, they don't need to actually come out and say they condemn it because 99.99999% of them are decent, law-abiding people. I didn't condemn every attack in Northern Ireland. Maybe as a British person, I should have done?

 

I suppose 'every attack in Northern Ireland' refers to ****** Sunday, a rare an isolated case of civilians being killed but still by soldiers who were under attack themselves, in the early 1970's. what a dreadful slur on our armed forces to compare them to the scum that did this act. Compare the way our army acted to the Isrealis in Gaza if you have a moment to spare.

Muslims DO need to dissociate themselves, something clearly seen by the mayor of Rotterdam - what a pity we do not have more people like him, a man who understands people, emotions and the importance of speaking out. There are times when saying nothing is not acceptable, he knows this is one of them.

I would like to see our Muslim leaders join this man in not only condemning the Paris atrocities, but echoing his call for integration including equal treatment of women, gays and all other religions. And soon, please.

Finally, I know its a tiny minority because as Mr Hobb pointed out there are 1.6 billion muslims on this planet, and I think we might have noticed if even one in 1000 of them had been outraged by the murderers doing their dirty work in the name of Islam. I do tend to see rather a lot of muslims in my part of South Yorkshire too, so I know what my eyes and ears tell me is not wrong.

[Bea Smith]

Assange and Snowden have a lot to answer for.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2904237/MAX-HASTINGS-liberals-defended-traitors-like-Snowden-Assange-look-photo-admit-deluded-fools.html

 

 

Assange and Snowden have only told the truth about what goes on. History will judge them as heroes. To blame them and not the criminal killers is something only the stupid tabloid press could do. It's like saying criminals of all kinds will benefit because someone blows the whistle on a few corrupt police officers who plant evidence or suchlike.

[JOHNNYAITCH]

Again though, how do you know only a "tiny minority" are condemning it? I know a few Muslims, but I haven't rung them up to ask if they disagree with going into magazine headquarters and supermarkets and spraying AK47 bullets around. Maybe if I did, they would condemn it and it would put my mind at rest. Or maybe, they don't need to actually come out and say they condemn it because 99.99999% of them are decent, law-abiding people. I didn't condemn every attack in Northern Ireland. Maybe as a British person, I should have done?

 

It's public condemnation/outrage that is being asked for..it's not enough apparently that someone in their own mind or in their own family/mosque/whatever finds it disgusting/outrageous they have to be seen to be condemning it otherwise how do we know that they do??

[cheshirevaliant]

I suppose 'every attack in Northern Ireland' refers to ****** Sunday, a rare an isolated case of civilians being killed but still by soldiers who were under attack themselves, in the early 1970's. what a dreadful slur on our armed forces to compare them to the scum that did this act. Compare the way our army acted to the Isrealis in Gaza if you have a moment to spare.

Muslims DO need to dissociate themselves, something clearly seen by the mayor of Rotterdam - what a pity we do not have more people like him, a man who understands people, emotions and the importance of speaking out. There are times when saying nothing is not acceptable, he knows this is one of them.

I would like to see our Muslim leaders join this man in not only condemning the Paris atrocities, but echoing his call for integration including equal treatment of women, gays and all other religions. And soon, please.

Finally, I know its a tiny minority because as Mr Hobb pointed out there are 1.6 billion muslims on this planet, and I think we might have noticed if even one in 1000 of them had been outraged by the murderers doing their dirty work in the name of Islam. I do tend to see rather a lot of muslims in my part of South Yorkshire too, so I know what my eyes and ears tell me is not wrong.

 

No, ****** Sunday is one of 100s of atrocities committed on both sides during the Troubles (as I suspect you know). I support the Union, but I do not support the UVF gunman who walked into The Heights pub in Loughinsland in 1994 and shot 6 people dead who were watching the Ireland-Italy match. Have you condemned that attack as well? I've not seen you do so. Under your logic, that makes you a terrorist sympathiser. See how ridiculous it is?

[Tone]

Assange and Snowden have only told the truth about what goes on. History will judge them as heroes. To blame them and not the criminal killers is something only the stupid tabloid press could do. It's like saying criminals of all kinds will benefit because someone blows the whistle on a few corrupt police officers who plant evidence or suchlike.

 

If that "truth" (information that should not have been in the public domain) had affected you personally, you wouldn't have been so apathetic about people like these.

[Bernie's evil]

I may be a little late posting this, but ive just seen on the news there are 10,000 French troops all Armed on the streets of Paris, protecting vulnerable sites as there is a suggestion there are terrorists still to be caught in Paris, where are these '' Brave Jihadist '' now then ? the best they can do is attack unarmed '' Cartoonists '' wow thats really brave!!!!

[Yukon]

Does a week go by without the 'Religion of Peace' adding to its collection of atrocities? Trying to claim that it is nothing to do with Islam is false and repeating this ad nauseam doesn't help matters, it's purely a case of burying your head in the sand and hoping it goes away. In fact, worse than that, it creates a free pass for this to continue. I don't actually know what the solution is, and there clearly isn't going to be a quick fix, but ignoring it surely won't help?

 

We do need moderate Muslims to actively speak out against this behavior but we need more than that - and this is the difficult part - we need them to speak out against certain texts within their religion, and to try and reform these parts. How are you going to get Muslims, en masse, to criticise a book that is supposed to be written by God, and therefore perfect, and texts written about the Prophet who is supposed to be the best example for mankind?! It is not going to happen anytime soon, but in the meantime at least lets be honest about it!

 

And why should they, when the attacks in France had precisely nothing to do with Islam!?!

[philpvfc]

And why should they, when the attacks in France had precisely nothing to do with Islam!?!

 

What utter ********!!!!

[Houston Valiant]

And why should they, when the attacks in France had precisely nothing to do with Islam!?!

 

 

If you believe that , you'd believe anything .

[Yukon]

Don't be naive, it was an act of extreme violence thinly veiled in religion. Those terrorists were not Muslims, the policeman who died defending the publication that mocked his religion, and more importantly defending their right to do so in the spirit of free speech, was a Muslim.

 

The KKK claim to be Christians but I don't see anything they do/ have done as even faintly Christian, in the traditional sense of the word.

[philpvfc]

Rubbish.....these terrorists were Muslims, fact.

[Bea Smith]

If that "truth" (information that should not have been in the public domain) had affected you personally, you wouldn't have been so apathetic about people like these.

 

I can assure you that is not true - no apathy just admiration for true heroes.

 

What they have done is in the name of decency, honesty, openness and truth which is what Jesus did in the temple kicking over the corrupt, the liars, the double-dealing, cynical and manipulative rule-breakers in government who were not elected to repress and spy on their populations.

 

The more information in the public domain the better, keep your spooky secret anti-democratic people out of all our lives.