Now lets talk cost effective

[Timothius]

Business and simple mathematics clap trap. Get a calculator and work out gross profit tonight v accrington game. It is acceptable to you because you think that the offers will sustain our payroll budget. Answer 10 quid will get you non league or below.

 

1. I didnt set tonights admission price or say it was acceptable.

2. I do know this offer had zero marketing, my only gripe, if it had i would say we could have added significant numbers to the gate.

3. what are you trying to prove other than you are a bit thick?

[philpvfc]

Awful maths. Say 3000 season ticket holders+2600*10=£26000 plus extra add on sales

Normal gate for tonight 3000+1400*20=£28000

Not a lot of difference bar better atmosphere, maybe a few more last Saturday as they could afford both games and maybe a few more coming back. Good idea if you ask me.

[oakesypvfc]

What are you talking about!!?!? It was never about the maths! This was an offer before Christmas that they decided to keep in place, it isnt a tenner every week, what is your point?!?

Exactly the owners were just honouring the offer they made for this game before christmas, not a regular thing they just tried to help get more people attending at xmas time because people were short on disposable income. Anyways having honoured this and the good crowd we had considering the weather hopefully the stay aways that attended tonight will return regularly, then the offers worked!

[Wereskintandweknowweare]

Every club does these offers every so often. This was originally in place before Christmas to allow people will a lack of funds to go! How do some Vale fans see a negative from everything its a joke! It isnt a tenner every week, it was a one off, stop moaning.

 

Maybe many of you have not seen previous threads. Many fans think that if we reduced games to a tenner we would get 10k in the ground week in week out and it is all due to cost. I loved paying a tenner tonight like most of you. I was simply saying to the a tenner a game crew it would not work long term. If you kook at older threads it is abound with fans talking 7 to 10k crowds. I believe the hardcore is 5k. We should pay what's appropriate. My point to the tenner every game crew go back to 1980

[Wereskintandweknowweare]

Awful maths. Say 3000 season ticket holders+2600*10=£26000 plus extra add on sales

Normal gate for tonight 3000+1400*20=£28000

Not a lot of difference bar better atmosphere, maybe a few more last Saturday as they could afford both games and maybe a few more coming back. Good idea if you ask me.

So how many season ticket holders attended on sat v tonight EXACTLY surely it's similar every game hello season ticet

[philpvfc]

So how many season ticket holders attended on sat v tonight EXACTLY surely it's similar every game hello season ticet

 

Don't think it will be a million miles apart. The majority of season ticket holders have the intent to go all the games when they can, especially when the team is doing well.

[Wereskintandweknowweare]

With all due respect to the originator of this thread, the Vale is no longer a 'community run' club (you could argue it wasn't under Mold as well, but that's another debate). It has new owners who have invested in the club in a number of ways already, and it really is up to them as to how they manage their investment. I'm sure, for example, they want some of the fans who stopped going to give it a try, and if some did tonight, for only a tenner, they may have liked what they saw and come back for more on the run in.

True if h added 400 saw what they liked and told 10 friends totally agree

 

I suspect its all about building momentum in the club, and you've got to applaud them for their efforts, and lets hope it works.

[Jacky Noff]

You do the maths makes no difference the attendance v accrington included season tickets so unless a thousand chose not to turn up on Saturday and turned up tonight. Suggest not much difference if you have a season ticket you generally turn up. I gave it a 20 pound bench mark assuming season tickets would be level against sat. I bet that has already gone well over your head. Either way pal .

You have five sweets but you have six friends

 

I truly give up

 

Ten pounds in forever

 

You assume quite a bit in all of your posts on this thread.

 

As the saying goes "Never assume as it ..."

 

Meh, what's the point.

[Wereskintandweknowweare]

Don't think it will be a million miles apart. The majority of season ticket holders have the intent to go all the games when they can, especially when the team is doing well.

 

Ok so the difference is it still not a gain tonight of 400 fans if season tickets were the same on sat

[philpvfc]

If it was normal admission we would have struggled to get 4500 tonight

[tisdeano]

its a marketing exercise, it worked very well

[davidatpreston]

Game v accrington assuming £20 admission at 5172 crowd generated £103, 440

Game v Wimbledon 5560 well done to the 395 new friends and welcome but generated £55,670 in cash

 

Do you want to feel as you do tonight and pay £20 or survive mid table and pay a tenner

 

I fully appreciate circumstances but that's life. We are currently league one marks and Spencer's if you want pound land pay a tenner.

 

A tenner as I have always said generates nowt we have lost money tonight if only 2900 hundred had turned up we would have made more .

 

Keep it consistent 20 pound in

 

 

Total simplification of a complex situation - not only do season tickets have to come off, but you would need to know how many of the season ticket holders attended each game. The thing that matters is how many came tonight at £10 that wouldn't have come at £20, and how many of that number might be tempted to return.

 

For the little it is worth, Id guess (and it really is a set of guesses that -

 

Of the 5172 at the Accy game, maybe 2,000 paid (even then, not all at £20, some kids, and other concessions) giving a possible income of £25,000 or so.

 

If the game tonight had been at £20, perhaps the gate would have been about 4400 of which about 1500 would have paid giving a potential income of £18,000 approx. This asssumes 2900 season ticket attendees.

 

So lets assume that of the 5500 or so attending tonight included 2900 season ticket attendees again, which means 2600 paid and we can guess that reducing for concessions might have meant this generated something like £16500.

 

Therefore, Vale lost barely a couple of thousand pounds on the deal, and a relatively large number of fans witnessed a superb win and saw them open up a lead at the top.

 

To me that sounds like a RESOUNDING SUCCESS Well done, new owners.

[philpvfc]

Total simplification of a complex situation - not only do season tickets have to come off, but you would need to know how many of the season ticket holders attended each game. The thing that matters is how many came tonight at £10 that wouldn't have come at £20, and how many of that number might be tempted to return.

 

For the little it is worth, Id guess (and it really is a set of guesses that -

 

Of the 5172 at the Accy game, maybe 2,000 paid (even then, not all at £20, some kids, and other concessions) giving a possible income of £25,000 or so.

 

If the game tonight had been at £20, perhaps the gate would have been about 4400 of which about 1500 would have paid giving a potential income of £18,000 approx. This asssumes 2900 season ticket attendees.

 

So lets assume that of the 5500 or so attending tonight included 2900 season ticket attendees again, which means 2600 paid and we can guess that reducing for concessions might have meant this generated something like £16500.

 

Therefore, Vale lost barely a couple of thousand pounds on the deal, and a relatively large number of fans witnessed a superb win and saw them open up a lead at the top.

 

To me that sounds like a RESOUNDING SUCCESS Well done, new owners.

 

 

See my equation earlier......you would also have to deduct VAT off the admission price narrowing the deficit to a few hundred pounds

[Wereskintandweknowweare]

Total simplification of a complex situation - not only do season tickets have to come off, but you would need to know how many of the season ticket holders attended each game. The thing that matters is how many came tonight at £10 that wouldn't have come at £20, and how many of that number might be tempted to return.

 

For the little it is worth, Id guess (and it really is a set of guesses that -

Ok so accy £25000

Tonight 16500

So forgive my poor maths but is that not around - 7500 £

Resounding success

We Are assuming our new owners can stump up a minus 7.5 k per week if they can ****** wonderful if not let's pay 20 pound

 

 

Of the 5172 at the Accy game, maybe 2,000 paid (even then, not all at £20, some kids, and other concessions) giving a possible income of £25,000 or so.

 

If the game tonight had been at £20, perhaps the gate would have been about 4400 of which about 1500 would have paid giving a potential income of £18,000 approx. This asssumes 2900 season ticket attendees.

 

So lets assume that of the 5500 or so attending tonight included 2900 season ticket attendees again, which means 2600 paid and we can guess that reducing for concessions might have meant this generated something like £16500.

 

Therefore, Vale lost barely a couple of thousand pounds on the deal, and a relatively large number of fans witnessed a superb win and saw them open up a lead at the top.

 

To me that sounds like a RESOUNDING SUCCESS Well done, new owners.

[melv]

Game v accrington assuming £20 admission at 5172 crowd generated £103, 440

Game v Wimbledon 5560 well done to the 395 new friends and welcome but generated £55,670 in cash

 

Do you want to feel as you do tonight and pay £20 or survive mid table and pay a tenner

 

I fully appreciate circumstances but that's life. We are currently league one marks and Spencer's if you want pound land pay a tenner.

 

A tenner as I have always said generates nowt we have lost money tonight if only 2900 hundred had turned up we would have made more .

 

Keep it consistent 20 pound in

 

You seem to have forgot about season ticket holders.