4 hours ago, pensioner said:

Unfortunately the club are not treating it like a cup game - they are giving Wrexham the back of the Bycars where it is sheltered and giving home fans only the Lorne street where it pisses in if its raining . Why oh why cant the club give the away team the lorne street and the Home fans the Hamil . No difference in "open Stands" so no extra costs involved . As a home fan I would attend if there was a chance of being under a stand, rather than sitting in an overly open terrace with a roof that is 30ft too high and lets the bad weather in. Oh,  for those who say you cant move home fans ..... piss off !!!   I got moved from the Bycars several times in FA cup games so its not too much to ask others to do the same once in a while.

When did we move home fans from the Bycars for an FA Cup game?

1 hour ago, PV1973 said:

Because overloading leads to fatigue, potential injuries and a potential drop in performance. All that data is measured through their GPS trackers that they wear. Hence why we now have bigger squads because why risk a player getting injured? 

And still we get injuries.

If on 

   I'd go

   Ripley 

John Debrah Hart

( Sang Chislett Grant Curtis 

    Paton Hackford  Edwards 

If Sang not eligible I'd be tempted play Grant in midfield  with chislett and Curtis  can all run forwards with ball and should have energy run back 

If Byers Stockley or Harper back obviously start with them 3 let's see how much of a better player Harper will be by Byers .

He will probably give the 3 lads at back yesterday the  night off or maybe he won't. 

We will see if game goes ahead 

 

UTV 

 

 

 

Edited January 6, 20251 yr by Dipepa delight

1 hour ago, PV1973 said:

Because overloading leads to fatigue, potential injuries and a potential drop in performance. All that data is measured through their GPS trackers that they wear. Hence why we now have bigger squads because why risk a player getting injured? 

Dread to think how many injuries we’d get if we didn’t ‘manage loads’.

Stockley, Byers (x3), John, Harper, Croasdale, Garrity, Hart (x2), Benicio, Clark, Grant, and Debrah have all missed games this season from the top of my head, despite a mad rotation policy and the subbing of players if they’re going to play again in a few days.

Just seems all a bit of modern stuff which no one talked about 5 years ago, driven by ever-growing sports scientist departments attempting to make themselves indispensable. How did we all cope before ‘load management’?

5 minutes ago, JoeB2 said:

Dread to think how many injuries we’d get if we didn’t ‘manage loads’.

Stockley, Byers (x3), John, Harper, Croasdale, Garrity, Hart (x2), Benicio, Clark, Grant, and Debrah have all missed games this season from the top of my head, despite a mad rotation policy and the subbing of players if they’re going to play again in a few days.

Just seems all a bit of modern stuff which no one talked about 5 years ago, driven by ever-growing sports scientist departments attempting to make themselves indispensable. How did we all cope before ‘load management’?

Stockley has had at least 2 maybe even 3. Injured in pre season & missed the start of the campaign. This latest one, and before this one I’m sure Moore said he’d had an injection or something along those lines as he’d been playing with a knock. Think Johns been out twice now as well. As you say we’ve had quite a lot on the treatment table already! 

7 hours ago, JoeB2 said:

Just not sure when football as a sport became terrified of injuries and ‘load’.

Theres a few cases to consider where they’re just back from injury, but otherwise let the footballers play football. They enjoy it!

 

If possible based on players coming to fitness I would make as many changes as possible.

Amos

Smudge Henegahn Hall

Cover Sang Byers/Harper  Shorrock

       Rico Paton Curtis

Edited January 5, 20251 yr by MBE

Just not sure when football as a sport became terrified of injuries and ‘load’.
Theres a few cases to consider where they’re just back from injury, but otherwise let the footballers play football. They enjoy it!

You are right. The way things are going all teams will be putting out their reserve sides for all cup games. It started with the top clubs doing it to lower league clubs and now we have it with lower league clubs doing it to each other even in the FA Cup.
A cup game used to be something to look forward to, due to the excitement of knockout competition. Now all cup competitions are viewed as an inconvenience. I appreciate that it is the FA that have done more than anyone to screw the FA Cup. I also appreciate that the EFL have managed to screw this competition up. But the U21 sides are out now out of the competition and it could be a great out at Wembley.
With regards to players getting injuries. I don't know what has gone wrong with modern training methods. But I feel sure we are over fine tuning our players. I recently looked through an old program from the early 1970's. It was the Gordon Lee era. We had a first team squad of 14 players. Nearly all of which played most of the games. Games played on pitches which by today's standards would be considered awful. And as for the argument that players did not run around as much or train as hard obviously are unaware of Gordon Lee's philosophy on how to train and play. Something has gone wrong somewhere.

2 minutes ago, worldsendvalefan said:

You are right. The way things are going all teams will be putting out their reserve sides for all cup games. It started with the top clubs doing it to lower league clubs and now we have it with lower league clubs doing it to each other even in the FA Cup.
A cup game used to be something to look forward to, due to the excitement of knockout competition. Now all cup competitions are viewed as an inconvenience. I appreciate that it is the FA that have done more than anyone to screw the FA Cup. I also appreciate that the EFL have managed to screw this competition up. But the U21 sides are out now out of the competition and it could be a great out at Wembley.
With regards to players getting injuries. I don't know what has gone wrong with modern training methods. But I feel sure we are over fine tuning our players. I recently looked through an old program from the early 1970's. It was the Gordon Lee era. We had a first team squad of 14 players. Nearly all of which played most of the games. Games played on pitches which by today's standards would be considered awful. And as for the argument that players did not run around as much or train as hard obviously are unaware of Gordon Lee's philosophy on how to train and play. Something has gone wrong somewhere.

Got to manage those loads, haven't you? Forget the world's oldest cup competition and the memories of fans for generations to come - playing our left-back for 65 minutes will increase his chance of injury by 4%, according to a sports scientist whose job security relies on statistics like this becoming the norm.

Giving players a rest, sound. As folk have said, Croasdale probably needs one. Garrity shouldn't be overworked. In my view, there's an argument to be made that the benefits of load management (marginal reduction of injuries) is outweighed by the hit to consistency, relationships, and confidence.

Unfortunately it's a quantifiable thing like an injury vs an intangible thing like 'confidence' which can't be measured and therefore isn't of interest to the lads at the back of the stand on their laptops.

1 minute ago, worldsendvalefan said:

You are right. The way things are going all teams will be putting out their reserve sides for all cup games. It started with the top clubs doing it to lower league clubs and now we have it with lower league clubs doing it to each other even in the FA Cup.
A cup game used to be something to look forward to, due to the excitement of knockout competition. Now all cup competitions are viewed as an inconvenience. I appreciate that it is the FA that have done more than anyone to screw the FA Cup. I also appreciate that the EFL have managed to screw this competition up. But the U21 sides are out now out of the competition and it could be a great out at Wembley.
With regards to players getting injuries. I don't know what has gone wrong with modern training methods. But I feel sure we are over fine tuning our players. I recently looked through an old program from the early 1970's. It was the Gordon Lee era. We had a first team squad of 14 players. Nearly all of which played most of the games. Games played on pitches which by today's standards would be considered awful. And as for the argument that players did not run around as much or train as hard obviously are unaware of Gordon Lee's philosophy on how to train and play. Something has gone wrong somewhere.

From an entertainment point of view I think one of the worst things football did was introduce 5 subs. Most games in the 2nd half are ruined by the number of stoppages and the game is not compensated either by sufficient injury time. 

Got to manage those loads, haven't you? Forget the world's oldest cup competition and the memories of fans for generations to come - playing our left-back for 65 minutes will increase his chance of injury by 4%, according to a sports scientist whose job security relies on statistics like this becoming the norm.
Giving players a rest, sound. As folk have said, Croasdale probably needs one. Garrity shouldn't be overworked. In my view, there's an argument to be made that the benefits of load management (marginal reduction of injuries) is outweighed by the hit to consistency, relationships, and confidence.
Unfortunately it's a quantifiable thing like an injury vs an intangible thing like 'confidence' which can't be measured and therefore isn't of interest to the lads at the back of the stand on their laptops.

All so true. No getting the Fire Service to come in and soak the pitch before a Cup match nowadays. Have to get the stats guys to come in and work out what the percentage injury increase will be [emoji1787]

From an entertainment point of view I think one of the worst things football did was introduce 5 subs. Most games in the 2nd half are ruined by the number of stoppages and the game is not compensated either by sufficient injury time. 

It is ridiculous that a manager can pick a team get it totally wrong then change half is team around. It was far better when there was only one sub generally used for injuries

For me the league is everything so if that means a big squad rotation then for this game so be it. We have a big enough squad with decent players, use them 

7 hours ago, pensioner said:

Unfortunately the club are not treating it like a cup game - they are giving Wrexham the back of the Bycars where it is sheltered and giving home fans only the Lorne street where it pisses in if its raining . Why oh why cant the club give the away team the lorne street and the Home fans the Hamil . No difference in "open Stands" so no extra costs involved . As a home fan I would attend if there was a chance of being under a stand, rather than sitting in an overly open terrace with a roof that is 30ft too high and lets the bad weather in. Oh,  for those who say you cant move home fans ..... piss off !!!   I got moved from the Bycars several times in FA cup games so its not too much to ask others to do the same once in a while.

The Lorne Street is our "main" stand, where all the reception and hospitality areas are. Home fans tend to use those more than away fans. It's impractical to close it to home fans.

It was put to me recently that 'managing loads' does not help players stay fit.  A player does 70 minutes, then doesn't even make the bench for the next couple of games;  then, magically he's back in the starting line up. Maybe for one game.  Is he going to be match fit and in top condition after not playing a couple of games?  I don't think so. 

In fact, he's far more likely to twang a hamstring because he's expected to perform as if he was 100% match fit, when clearly he isn't.  It doesn't make sense, does it? 

And that's not mentioning the lack of form due to not playing, and the lack of continuity from not having a settled side! 

Leeds operate on the basis of having two people for each position, including a few who can cover several roles if needed. They're managing pretty well, aren't they?

How many players are there in the Vale first team squad at the moment?