PVFC Meet delegation of fans regarding current concerns

[Black & Gold Group]

A delegation of Black & Gold members were part of a wider delegation of fans that met with the club on Monday evening.  Link below for further details:

Joint statement: Port Vale FC, Supporters Club, Black and Gold Group and North London Valiants | News | Port Vale

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[eh up nah]

David Flitcroft, get yourself <ovf censored> off out of our club

[The man in the pub]

23 hours ago, eh up nah said:

David Flitcroft, get yourself <ovf censored> off out of our club

Hopefully items1,2,3 and 4 on the agenda.

[robf]

In my opinion, that's a welcome move. I think the vast majority of fans are still very much behind the owners, it perhaps just needs an open and frank discussion like this just for all to get back on track with things like communication and so on. It's not going to solve the football issues, but a conversation never was, but it hopefully does start to reset the relationship between fans and owners. 

[The man in the pub]

1 minute ago, robf said:

In my opinion, that's a welcome move. I think the vast majority of fans are still very much behind the owners, it perhaps just needs an open and frank discussion like this just for all to get back on track with things like communication and so on. 

To be honest Rob the Joint Statement didnt give much away.

[robf]

Nope - but the fact they have agreed to meet and that all parties, by dint of the joint statement were happy with how it went is an indication that it was needed. 

I think the owners needed to hear what the fans group thought face-to-face and vice versa. There's been too much of a silo mentality at the club recently and having this sort of dialogue can only help that to stop and for the club's relationship with the fans to hopefully start get back to how it was at the start of their time in charge.

[Granville]

Very sceptical of this I'm afraid. Mark Porter - more faces than a town hall clock, goes on Praise and Grumble and slags people at the club off - I bet he won't have said half of that here, more concerned with making himself the centre of attention and getting inside info.

I'd have much preferred another open fans forum, or God forbid Flitcroft sat down with the media and answered some frank questions. 

Instead we've had an in-house podcast, and now Carol grabbing a select group of fans who she can give a slight inside view into the workings of the club in exchange for their loyalty and spreading the good word on her behalf.

Sorry, it means little unless Flitcroft comes out and explains what he's actually doing and takes some responsibility, instead of another attempt by Carol to get people to love him.

[pvfc1994]

A joint statement that didn't really say anything at all. All talk and no action or solutions. Why not release a transcript of the meeting? Why not organise an open fans forum? It's all well and good saying the club was 'open and honest' and then not providing anything to back it up. Carol's open letter told me everything I need to know about what they think of fans and their opinions. Why wasn't Flitcroft there if his role was the significant part of the meeting? Must be scared of being called out without scripted questions and club edited podcasts. 

I'm sick of hearing 'biggest game of the season','must win', 'back the lads' and 'we will improve' and then the fans doing their best to get behind the team and then ultimately getting beaten comfortably every single game. I actually think the fans have been quite patient with how things are being handled by the club. We are abysmal on the pitch and all of this was avoidable, the past 18 months have been a car crash. They've been living under a rock and hiding for months. 

[smada]

Not what the majority of supporters want to hear, most people just want to see the back of Flitcroft, there is a very easy solution Carole.

[JoeB2]

Ok, despite not being involved I will offer some context. I have been a part of B&G in the past but chose not to be on this occasion.

This was not a meeting that Carol initiated or handpicked. It was set up by some fans and Carol had no say in who attended. I think Hancock facilitated.

The joint statement clearly had to be agreed between the parties. I imagine stuff that was said isn’t in the statement - rightly or wrongly.

The fans who attended gained absolutely nothing. They gave up hours to try and get Carol to see what the fans are seeing - from what I’m inferring through this, to little avail.

PVFC doesn’t exist without Mark Porter.

That’s all I know of it.

[TEXAS]

2 minutes ago, JoeB2 said:

PVFC doesn’t exist without Mark Porter.

All I have to say on it. 

Please tell me this a typo ???

[JoeB2]

A final point is that, through the business-spiel language, it is clear that the fans were heavily critical of Flitcroft.

• Robust and honest feedback around accountability for football performance.

An extremely corporate and negotiated way of saying ‘the fans want him gone’.

I think it’s obvious that Carol’s position hasn’t, and probably won’t, change.

Again, I wasn’t in the meeting and didn’t have any involvement, but those calling for Flitcroft to be sacked are likely to be disappointed.

[Valiiant]

 

Carol out.

Too pig headed to do the right thing and the circus will continue to get worse.

[Jacko51]

I found this quote the other day which is so true:

“The belief that there is only one truth and that oneself is in possession of it seems to me to be the root of all that is evil in the world.”

There are two sides to every story.  

[robf]

You're not going to solve all the problems with one meeting. However, if that meeting clears the air and opens up communication channels, gives the owners food for thought etc that surely has to be a good start.