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21 minutes ago, Joe B said:

Having turned up in 2002, I'd genuinely rather not share my team, as it's offensively poor in comparison to some of the other sides posted.

Nice to see Vale fans reminiscing about times in which we had proper footballers. My miserable Dad + near 90 yo Grandad still lovingly talk of many of the names in this thread. 

You can put out a decent side:

Goodlad

Gibbons Walsh Pilkington Collins

Andoh Sonner Morsy MBW

Brooker Sodje

No Pope for me but the fact is my front 2 are solid Championship quality. Pope is a club legend but really a league 1/2 player. Morsy was mishandled by Adams and I think that showed in his subsequent career.

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Neal Pope Grant Marshall Collins O'Connor, Loft

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I saw all the home games during the 1953/54 season and must agree with your assertion that it is the best Vale 11 that I have seen by some distance. The best 2 goal keepers, again by some distanc

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My goodness, you have put a great amount of detail into that post. It’s fascinating to read, especially since you saw all those home games. That must have been really something to watch. Huge crowds ,

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For reference:

 

Dad

Musselwhite

Mills Glover Pilkington Tankard

Chamberlain Earle Taylor Guppy

Slaven Foyle

 

Mum (swayed by emotion + looks)

Neal

Aspin Glover Swan Tankard

McCarthy Taylor Van Der Laan Guppy

Earle

Foyle

 

Me (sad, this)

Neal

Yates McCombe (C) Pilkington Dickinson

JMW Morsy Grant Marshall

Richards Pope 

I didn't want to pick Yates but Gibbons hasn't achieved enough and I haven't seen any other good RBs. 

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27 minutes ago, RailwayRowdy said:

Out of interest KR, did you (or anyone else for that matter) ever see Ronnie Allen play for Vale? 

My old man used to tell me he was a hell of a player. Also, through work, I used to know a Baggies fan who described Ronnie as the finest player he ever saw play for West Brom. That's some praise. 

No I never saw him play for the Vale.  I saw him play against the Vale on at least three occasions.  My father saw him play for the Vale and he was the best centre forward he'd seen in a Vale shirt.  Allen and McGarry would have been in my side if I had seen either play for the Vale.

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1 minute ago, JRC said:

You can put out a decent side:

Goodlad

Gibbons Walsh Pilkington Collins

Andoh Sonner Morsy MBW

Brooker Sodje

No Pope for me but the fact is my front 2 are solid Championship quality. Pope is a club legend but really a league 1/2 player. Morsy was mishandled by Adams and I think that showed in his subsequent career.

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Neal Pope Grant Marshall Collins O'Connor, Loft

I don't have strong enough memories of Sonner, Walsh, Brooker etc to form a real opinion, unfortunately.

Strong memories started in about 2008 onwards. Tragic.

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2 minutes ago, Joe B said:

I don't have strong enough memories of Sonner, Walsh, Brooker etc to form a real opinion, unfortunately.

Strong memories started in about 2008 onwards. Tragic.

Sympathies you possibly just have the weakest promotion side of my lifetime. 

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3 minutes ago, JRC said:

Sympathies you possibly just have the weakest promotion side of my lifetime. 

Yep. I know we had a fair team in my early years (Cummins, Brooker, MBW etc), and I just about remember McPhee and Littlejohn who were my favourite players, but bar Spurs away in 06/07 I genuinely don't remember a great deal prior to 08. 

12/13 was a good year and I will die on the hill that Chris Shuker was a massive baller and was fundamental to our excellent form in the early part of the season, and things went downhill when he and Dodds started playing less. 

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5 minutes ago, Joe B said:

For reference:

 

Dad

Musselwhite

Mills Glover Pilkington Tankard

Chamberlain Earle Taylor Guppy

Slaven Foyle

 

Mum (swayed by emotion + looks)

Neal

Aspin Glover Swan Tankard

McCarthy Taylor Van Der Laan Guppy

Earle

Foyle

 

Me (sad, this)

Neal

Yates McCombe (C) Pilkington Dickinson

JMW Morsy Grant Marshall

Richards Pope 

I didn't want to pick Yates but Gibbons hasn't achieved enough and I haven't seen any other good RBs. 

Near misses include Alnwick, O'Connor, Hughes, and Constantine. 

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4 hours ago, KingRay said:

I saw all the home games during the 1953/54 season and must agree with your assertion that it is the best Vale 11 that I have seen by some distance.

The best 2 goal keepers, again by some distance from the rest, were Ray King and Ken Hancock.  In my opinion Ray was better than Ken.  Next would be Neville Southall – I still remember his save from Tommy Gore on his debut for the Vale at Gigg Lane.

In terms of defence, none come anywhere near to Stan Turner (right back), Tommy Cheadle (centre half) and Reg Potts (left back).

Roy Sproson again stands out as a left half.

I think I would go for Ray Walker at right half in preference to Albert Mullard.

Right wing has to be Mark Chamberlain over Colin Askey, Brian Jackson and Jon McCarthy.

Inside right would be Albert Leake from that great 53/54 team followed by Tony Naylor.

My choice at centre forward is likely to be controversial.  The best I have seen was Ralph Hunt followed by Andy Jones and Tom Pope.  Ralph was signed by Norman Lowe, who was in hospital at the time.  He arrived at Vale Park on a clapped out motorbike minutes before kick-off and netted a first half hat-trick.  He had a great shot with both feet and was outstanding in the air.

Inside left would be Robbie Earle.

Left wing would be Steve Guppy followed by Dickie Cunliffe.

 

                                                    Ray King

Stan Turner                            Tom Cheadle                             Reg Potts

                 Ray Walker                                             Roy Sproson

                          Albert Leake                       Robbie Earle

Mark Chamberlain             Ralph Hunt                             Steve Guppy

Bench:  Ken Hancock, John Nicholson, Harry Poole, Ian Taylor, Tom Pope, Colin Askey, Dickie Cunliffe

12 local lads in that squad – can’t be bad.

Manager: John Rudge closely followed by Gordon Hodgson, who built the great 53/54 side but died of cancer before he could reap the benefits of his hard work.

Two of the above squad were killed in motor car accidents while still playing professionally.

Can anyone name them?

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1 minute ago, Joe B said:

Yep. I know we had a fair team in my early years (Cummins, Brooker, MBW etc), and I just about remember McPhee and Littlejohn who were my favourite players, but bar Spurs away in 06/07 I genuinely don't remember a great deal prior to 08. 

If its any consolation I started in the desolate years of the early 70s. 10 years with realy only Brian Horton and Mark Chamberlain. Missed the Gordon Lee promotion: although my older cousins say it was hard to watch at times.

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2 minutes ago, KingRay said:

Two of the above squad were killed in motor car accidents while still playing professionally.

Can anyone name them?

I could narrow it down to 2 of 4. After that its tossing a coin.

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16 minutes ago, KingRay said:

Two of the above squad were killed in motor car accidents while still playing professionally.

Can anyone name them?

Nicholson was one.

He bought his house off my parents when he joined the Club from Liverpool in the early sixties. Just off High Lane.

I don't recall any of the others goiung in that sad fashion. Hunt?

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Just now, TheSage said:

Nicholson was one.

He bought his house off my parents when he joined the Club from Liverpool in the early sixties. Just off High Lane.

I don't recall any of the others goiung in that sad fashion. Hunt?

Both correct. 

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1 hour ago, Joe B said:

For reference:

 

Dad

Musselwhite

Mills Glover Pilkington Tankard

Chamberlain Earle Taylor Guppy

Slaven Foyle

 

Mum (swayed by emotion + looks)

Neal

Aspin Glover Swan Tankard

McCarthy Taylor Van Der Laan Guppy

Earle

Foyle

 

Me (sad, this)

Neal

Yates McCombe (C) Pilkington Dickinson

JMW Morsy Grant Marshall

Richards Pope 

I didn't want to pick Yates but Gibbons hasn't achieved enough and I haven't seen any other good RBs. 

I'm guessing Aspin and Swan were in the emotion column. 

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16 hours ago, RailwayRowdy said:

Out of interest KR, did you (or anyone else for that matter) ever see Ronnie Allen play for Vale? 

My old man used to tell me he was a hell of a player. Also, through work, I used to know a Baggies fan who described Ronnie as the finest player he ever saw play for West Brom. That's some praise. 

Saw Ronnie Allen play on the Old Rec in Hanley,  my favourite player  heartbroken as a lad when he was transferred. A winger at the Vale then a deep lying centre forward  with the Baggies,  which reduced his England chances.  Leading goal scorer in the old Div 1 at least one season.  Saw him play a few times for WBA who were one of the big teams at the time challenging for the top spot .

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12 hours ago, Fosse69 said:

Saw Ronnie Allen play on the Old Rec in Hanley,  my favourite player  heartbroken as a lad when he was transferred. A winger at the Vale then a deep lying centre forward  with the Baggies,  which reduced his England chances.  Leading goal scorer in the old Div 1 at least one season.  Saw him play a few times for WBA who were one of the big teams at the time challenging for the top spot .

Did you see Bill McGarry play at the Old Rec?  Was he as good as my father said he was?  He thought he was the best header of a football, given his lack of height, he had seen. He had the rare ability to hover at the top of his jump.

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1 minute ago, KingRay said:

Did you see Bill McGarry play at the Old Rec?  Was he as good as my father said he was?  He thought he was the best header of a football, given his lack of height, he had seen. He had the rare ability to hover at the top of his jump.

Saw him play at the Old Rec and VP. He seemed to have springs in his legs and could easily out head taller players,  Great  tackler and played for England in the 1954  World Cup. Allen and King were also in the initial World Cup selection tour, but did not make the finals.

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