Have we improved since Gannon left?

[Spunk Trumpet]

I said it all along, good manager but came to this club at the wrong time.

 

I was laughed down and ridiculed, but it seems more and more people are seeing what I saw all along!!

 

You did Burt. we had many a debate over it.

 

Il stick by what i said though. Hes a woeful manager.

Maybe we have **** players but you have to ask do Stockport also have **** players? Did Motherwell? Did Peterborough?

 

Apart from a mad year in his first time at Stockport hes done nothing but blame everyone else and try to manipulate peoples minds that hes a master tactician.

He isnt. Hes a ****. :D

[knypersley valiant]

I completely agree and accept that gannon didn't help himself. But I think the players, fans and staff at the club in some way didn't help either and made gannon more like he was. I m not saying that he wasn't abrasive but he was completely undermined and no one listened. I think he will do well at Stockport if given time and we might regret sacking him.

 

Obviously it is not the same but it is a little like when clough took over at Leeds.

 

Agree again. Just as Sinnott was undermined before him.

[Tumbleweed_MVF]

I know a lot of people will disagree with me, but i m going to say this anyway. I just want to know how have we improved since Jim Gannon left? Have we even improved since Jim Gannon left?

 

My feelings are that Jim came to the club at the wrong time. But everything that he said about the club has been right.

 

--Roberts was more interested in going to the pub than playing football.

--As a club we weren't playing decent attractive football.

--We had little or no awareness of tactics.

--As a club we weren't coaching players properly and players weren't improving. (I think he right with the exception of Griff).

--Coaches were too close to the team and also had insufficient coaching badges.

--The way forward was to blood new young players like Morsy and train them hopefully improve them.

--And the main one, most of the team simply weren't good enough and thought they were better than they were.

 

The last one for me is the key. The players, fans (me included) and the Horse and Grewy all had blinkers on and we thought we were much better than we were. Nobody thought Jim was speaking sense and thought that he belonged in the local asylum. I do think Jim is an abrasive man but i get the feeling that part of the reason for why he hated so much was because of this arrogance at the club by the players, fans and coaching staff. If only they had listened to him. They simply didn't want to know or hear what Jim had to say. Is it any wonder he got a bit angry? I know i would be if i felt my position was being undermined.

 

His assessment of the club has been proved right and i bet any money even if MA had stayed last season and not gone to Sheff Utd teams would have found us out. Lets face it, it is hardly difficult to see our tactics. If Jim had been given time and had been able to bring in players who were prepared to listen and didn't think they were the best thing since sliced bread then i think he could be doing a lot better job than MA.

 

MA has been terrible this season. The players were crying out for him and how have they responded? They have been no better under Adams than under Gannon. Roberts proved that Adams has made no difference whatsoever and carried on regardless. Performances are terrible and our tactics are the same lump the ball upfield and hope. Virtually all the problems on the field have been created by MA and he seems to have no answers for it. He extended the contracts of players who aren't good enough. Players like Haldane, Dodds and Rob Taylor. He tells the team how to play. He signed players in the summer who hardly play even when we are meant to be down to the bare bones. Players under Adams have gone backwards Tommo, Mccombe, Owen etc.

 

He is calling performances excellent when we have lost at home to Wimbledon who haven't bleeding won in ages. I don't care if we played like bleeding the 1970 Brazilian team, the bottom line is we lost to Wimbledon who didn't even exist a few years ago. We don't even look like winning a game against teams that should be thrashed. MA is deluded. If Jim Gannon was in charge then the supporters would have been calling for his head.

 

This club is crying out for change. (I m not even to start ranting about the board i will be here all night). We have one of the highest wage bills in League two and our position should reflect that. I pay money to be entertained and I either find Mickey's brand of football too defensive or boring. At least Jim Gannon's ideals are free flowing passing football. I really do wish Jim had brought in his philosophies in slower and had not been so hasty. We are crying out for someone like him and some attractive football.

 

In my opinion MA means well but we haven't gone anywhere under his managerial leadership. I genuinely believe he didn't join the board in the summer other than to facilitate the signing of players. But on the field is he really going to be the man who gets us promotion?

 

More to the point have we improved since the return of Adams..............Id say not a chance!!!!

[Edge81]

I know a lot of people will disagree with me, but i m going to say this anyway. I just want to know how have we improved since Jim Gannon left? Have we even improved since Jim Gannon left?

 

My feelings are that Jim came to the club at the wrong time. But everything that he said about the club has been right.

 

--Roberts was more interested in going to the pub than playing football.

--As a club we weren't playing decent attractive football.

--We had little or no awareness of tactics.

--As a club we weren't coaching players properly and players weren't improving. (I think he right with the exception of Griff).

--Coaches were too close to the team and also had insufficient coaching badges.

--The way forward was to blood new young players like Morsy and train them hopefully improve them.

--And the main one, most of the team simply weren't good enough and thought they were better than they were.

 

The last one for me is the key. The players, fans (me included) and the Horse and Grewy all had blinkers on and we thought we were much better than we were. Nobody thought Jim was speaking sense and thought that he belonged in the local asylum. I do think Jim is an abrasive man but i get the feeling that part of the reason for why he hated so much was because of this arrogance at the club by the players, fans and coaching staff. If only they had listened to him. They simply didn't want to know or hear what Jim had to say. Is it any wonder he got a bit angry? I know i would be if i felt my position was being undermined.

 

His assessment of the club has been proved right and i bet any money even if MA had stayed last season and not gone to Sheff Utd teams would have found us out. Lets face it, it is hardly difficult to see our tactics. If Jim had been given time and had been able to bring in players who were prepared to listen and didn't think they were the best thing since sliced bread then i think he could be doing a lot better job than MA.

 

MA has been terrible this season. The players were crying out for him and how have they responded? They have been no better under Adams than under Gannon. Roberts proved that Adams has made no difference whatsoever and carried on regardless. Performances are terrible and our tactics are the same lump the ball upfield and hope. Virtually all the problems on the field have been created by MA and he seems to have no answers for it. He extended the contracts of players who aren't good enough. Players like Haldane, Dodds and Rob Taylor. He tells the team how to play. He signed players in the summer who hardly play even when we are meant to be down to the bare bones. Players under Adams have gone backwards Tommo, Mccombe, Owen etc.

 

He is calling performances excellent when we have lost at home to Wimbledon who haven't bleeding won in ages. I don't care if we played like bleeding the 1970 Brazilian team, the bottom line is we lost to Wimbledon who didn't even exist a few years ago. We don't even look like winning a game against teams that should be thrashed. MA is deluded. If Jim Gannon was in charge then the supporters would have been calling for his head.

 

This club is crying out for change. (I m not even to start ranting about the board i will be here all night). We have one of the highest wage bills in League two and our position should reflect that. I pay money to be entertained and I either find Mickey's brand of football too defensive or boring. At least Jim Gannon's ideals are free flowing passing football. I really do wish Jim had brought in his philosophies in slower and had not been so hasty. We are crying out for someone like him and some attractive football.

 

In my opinion MA means well but we haven't gone anywhere under his managerial leadership. I genuinely believe he didn't join the board in the summer other than to facilitate the signing of players. But on the field is he really going to be the man who gets us promotion?

 

To answer bluntly, Gannon had about 10 more senior bodies than Mickydoes atm. Id still take this situation to when that ***** was here

[valiant_593]

More to the point have we improved since the return of Adams..............Id say not a chance!!!!

 

Gone backwards.

[Alex_PVFC12]

Gannon came to the wrong place at the wrong time, tried to fix something - at the time - that didn't need fixing, I fail too see how change needs to be made in terms of the manager. McDonald (Adams signing) has been one of the better defenders this season, and the 2 loan players which due to lack of funds have had to return, were also good quality. Adams does recognize the need for new blood in the club, but hasn't been able to make the improvements necessary. Once the club is eventually funded, Adams buys, and the team still lack quality, then it's time to point the finger. However we are full of injuries and have no funds, Adams is not to blame.

[valiant_593]

Gannon came to the wrong place at the wrong time, tried to fix something - at the time - that didn't need fixing, I fail too see how change needs to be made in terms of the manager. McDonald (Adams signing) has been one of the better defenders this season, and the 2 loan players which due to lack of funds have had to return, were also good quality. Adams does recognize the need for new blood in the club, but hasn't been able to make the improvements necessary. Once the club is eventually funded, Adams buys, and the team still lack quality, then it's time to point the finger. However we are full of injuries and have no funds, Adams is not to blame.

 

Mcdonald has been one of the best defenders because the others, other than chilvers have been really poor. Other than that I agree. But other managers such as Coleman and Accrington have improved and done will with no funds.

[Chopper Harris]

Are you suggesting we should have stuck with J G Burt/Chopper ?

 

Well I m saying I don't think we would be in any worse situation ' on the field' if gannon had stayed. I m just so sick and tired of the dross that is served up and Adams' tactics are so boring. I just think gannon should have been given time to see if he could put his money where his mouth is. At least he promised attractive football. When was the last time anyone saw a vale team do that? In the 90s?

[Spunk Trumpet]

. At least he promised attractive football.

 

Port Vale supporters should know better than to believe promises. ===

[For Us All]

Everythings gone backwards from the board down.They certainly are leading by example.

Nearly nine years of failure and they still cling on.

[Chopper Harris]

Port Vale supporters should know better than to believe promises. ===

 

Ha ha. Very true mate.

[Valiant62]

I think Chopper makes an interesting case, it's overstated but the argument has its merits. I think in the long term Gannon may well have come good but didn't do some of the pragmatic short terms stuff to get us to league one, his argument might be that the wheels were coming off before he came - maybe, maybe not.

His vision was compelling and the way he articulated that in the media was good but day to day his communication seemed to be somewhat lacking. We do however need a "whole bottle of senokot" clear out which I think he would have done.

Adams has kept a lot more dross including in coaching staff but does more with it than Gannon would have. I think he has more quality himself than Chopper attributes, but definitely isn't some messiah.

I'd add, as an aside, I think JMW and Madjo gave us value for money for exactly the length of time they were here and wouldn't have made good signings for longer. JMW in particular had already levelled out and was going downwards as scouts had started to inform the opposition and defenders just started to show him the right footed option - if you're well prepared, he's quite easy for many defenders even at this level to read and play.

[Koop]

I agree entirely chopper.

 

I always maintained that he could be a success if he was given the freedom and platform to mould the playing side into what he wanted, bring in the backroom staff he wanted I believe we would be much better of with a pattern of play and be developing players who will be attracting interest from a higher level.

 

He was too intelligent for the players, coaching staff and fans.

[portvalemarket]

Some teams do it, such as Accrington. To the question, no we havnt improved at all, Gannon was right in everything he said but as people have said went about it completely wrong.

 

 

what Gannon did he did way to quickly. If he went about it with a bit of "slow but sure" things would be different.

 

 

Thats coming from a stokie,who hates the racist ****..:ninja:

[pensioner]

Blue Square BET Premier - Updated 17/01/2012 HOME AWAY

Pos Name P W D L F A W D L F A GD PTS

 

19 Stockport 29 3 4 7 17 21 1 7 7 12 27 -19 23

 

Jim Gannon is their manager !! Enough said .

 

All those below Strockport in the BSB league have games in hand on Stockport.

 

Gannon may well have been right about what he said about the Vale, the crux of the matter is that he wasnt the man to do anything about it.