Premier league / JPT

[Bea Smith]

So you run the post down and get all personal without actually giving reasons, wow man you are on fire this morning, I think you belong in Corben's gang!

 

Money doesn't need to change hands, PL clubs have exceptional amounts of money, FL clubs don't! If they were genuinely interested in the development of young players they would send them out on long term loans to FL clubs on a cost free basis so they could compete regularly at the standard they seem keen to integrate crap b team ideas into.

 

Christ almighty as a huge socialist who supports the barmy works of Jezza I would have thought you would have been educated enough to realise the super rich taxing the poor to improve the value of their property isn't a great idea!

 

 

It's hardly worth the effort of pointing out the naïve side of this idea again - it wouldn't be the PL clubs that took favours and backhanders, but the individuals in a position to do so, as many have done in the past.

 

Nothing to do with taxing, just bungs that many managers and others have been taking for as long as football has been awash with money. If you cant understand that and don't see it as a valid reason that your simplistic idea would not work, that's your problem.

[Robbie Earle's Perm]

It's hardly worth the effort of pointing out the naïve side of this idea again - it wouldn't be the PL clubs that took favours and backhanders, but the individuals in a position to do so, as many have done in the past.

 

Nothing to do with taxing, just bungs that many managers and others have been taking for as long as football has been awash with money. If you cant understand that and don't see it as a valid reason that your simplistic idea would not work, that's your problem.

 

There's been corruption through all levels of football in times gone by, that's no reason to stop my suggestion. Your crazy suggestion is akin to saying we might as well close the sport down and give up rather than attempt to clean it up and root out the criminals that perform these illegal acts!

 

Let's be honest whether it's mine, Jacko's or the next posters suggestion they won't come to fruition as the PL teams are far too self interested as is shown with the ridiculous b team ideas ever having seen the light of day.

[Bea Smith]

There's been corruption through all levels of football in times gone by' date=' that's no reason to stop my suggestion.[b'] Your crazy suggestion [/b]is akin to saying we might as well close the sport down and give up rather than attempt to clean it up and root out the criminals that perform these illegal acts!

 

Let's be honest whether it's mine, Jacko's or the next posters suggestion they won't come to fruition as the PL teams are far too self interested as is shown with the ridiculous b team ideas ever having seen the light of day.

 

I think you are way past your bedtime as, similar to the other thread you are now completely hallunicating and making things up,

 

I didn't make a suggestion. so you saying 'your crazy suggestion is akin to ... etc well, people can see this and make up their own minds about what you just wrote. .

 

It's a waste of time trying to talk sense to someome who is seeing things that are not there, so find someone else to argue with, but do them the favour of reading what they post properly if you can manage that much - I still think Jacko's post of a league makes sense, and may well happen.

[Robbie Earle's Perm]

Way past my bedtime at 10.10am? Do your research man!

 

Your suggestion was people take 'favours' loaning players in the current English game as I was suggesting an improvement of that service between clubs of the haves and have nots though you've clearly not backed it up yet....

 

I'm not arguing, you've chosen to reply to my initial post to try and ridicule my suggestions which are all clearly more than feasible for PL clubs, FL clubs and most importantly the players, frankly it matters little what you or I or any other poster has to say.

 

I've no doubt there will continue to be some form of an under 21 league, the issue is how they make it more competitive without trying to ruin the lower leagues by doing so.

[Aussie Rules]

As Jean says, the PL should have a Reserves Competition

[Robbie Earle's Perm]

As Jean says, the PL should have a Reserves Competition

 

They've got one AR - http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/matchday/barclays-u21-premier-league-tables.html?paramYouthStage=NATIONAL

 

It just doesn't give the competitive edge first team football does.

[Shropshire_Valiant]

Poor idea but it doesn't surprise me. I thought the whole ethos of the JPT or Football League Trophy was to give lower league clubs the opportunity of a trip to Wembley(if you get to the final)?

[JOHNNYAITCH]

I cannot see the logic behind this at all. If the Premier League genuinely want competitive action for their young players, how are they going to achieve this by entering them into a competition where they may play one game per season then get knocked out?

 

That does indeed seem to make it a rather ridiculous idea

 

Why not set up a proper U21 League, increase the number of over age players allowed in the team and call it Reserve team football? Worked well in the past. Then why not match the fixture list to the Premier League and play the games with kick offs an hour after the main game allowing folk to stay and watch both if they're daft enough?

 

Not sure about playing after the main game but an U21/reserve league would seem to be a better solution all round. As you say..it's worked before!! I suppose the main difference now is PL clubs have bigger squads with very expensive (in terms of transfer fees and wages) players not regularly playing in the first team and they actually don't want to risk playing them in 'unimportant' matches cos of injury risks if they don't have to. Plus seems many players are happy not to play at all if they aren't in the first team..not that that is a good reason

[JOHNNYAITCH]

They've got one AR - http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/matchday/barclays-u21-premier-league-tables.html?paramYouthStage=NATIONAL

 

It just doesn't give the competitive edge first team football does.

 

Can't do if the Black Cats are top !! :)

[robf]

There's an OVF blog post about the changes up on the OVF front page now. It's not actually by me but is a link to an excellent article in the Set Pieces blog.

 

Link - http://www.onevalefan.co.uk/site/2016/03/suggested-read-set-pieces-blog-slams-jpt-plans-as-greed/

[Paddock_Boy]

Don't think I am overly bothered either way. Facts are:

 

1) We don't really try in the competition anyway, as don't a lot of the other teams we face, attendances are really poor

 

2) Chance to potentially see up and coming stars which may attract more fans to the games

 

3) Away fixtures may mean we get to visit Premier League grounds which can't be bad

 

4) Club receives cash or subsidy for reduced chance of reaching Wembley, which we haven't looked like doing for nearly 20 years

 

Certainly downsides to this also, as to have a final of Everton u-21's against Newcastle u-21's would be terrible, but who actually watches the JPT final on TV?!

[robf]

Don't think I am overly bothered either way. Facts are:

 

1) We don't really try in the competition anyway, as don't a lot of the other teams we face, attendances are really poor

 

2) Chance to potentially see up and coming stars which may attract more fans to the games

 

3) Away fixtures may mean we get to visit Premier League grounds which can't be bad

 

4) Club receives cash or subsidy for reduced chance of reaching Wembley, which we haven't looked like doing for nearly 20 years

 

Certainly downsides to this also, as to have a final of Everton u-21's against Newcastle u-21's would be terrible, but who actually watches the JPT final on TV?!

 

But read that blog and see the counter argument - http://thesetpieces.com/features/7692/

 

I'll quote what I think is the key paragraph: "On that day in 2013, two teams that had been relentlessly crapped upon by modern football were granted a chance to see how the other half live. That’s the sole purpose of the Johnstone’s Paint Trophy. It gives us just a little bit of hope. Do you really want to snuff that out?"

 

I for one won't forget our trip to Wembley in the Autoglass Trophy, why let the PL potentially take that chance away or downgrade by pitting us against Stoke "B" in the final?

 

It's the FOOTBALL LEAGUE Trophy - leave it alone.

[davidatpreston]

But read that blog and see the counter argument - http://thesetpieces.com/features/7692/

 

I'll quote what I think is the key paragraph: "On that day in 2013, two teams that had been relentlessly crapped upon by modern football were granted a chance to see how the other half live. That’s the sole purpose of the Johnstone’s Paint Trophy. It gives us just a little bit of hope. Do you really want to snuff that out?"

 

I for one won't forget our trip to Wembley in the Autoglass Trophy, why let the PL potentially take that chance away or downgrade by pitting us against Stoke "B" in the final?

 

It's the FOOTBALL LEAGUE Trophy - leave it alone.

 

 

 

I couldn't agree more strongly that this should be left alone and these changes quashed - even if it means pitch sit-ins to stop the first games, boycotts and other strong measures. If they go ahead, all the proper football clubs from L1 and L2 should refuse to enter.

Sorry Paddock Boy, but I don't agree with your points in that we do try in the competition, and not many teams have won it more tha once, albeit a long time ago. Gates may be poor, but so are FA Cup gates, and this is a disturbing trend that needs to be addressed more generally.

I don't want to see 'up and coming stars' from U21 Prem teams, I want to see Port Vale play matches against real other teams like Crewe and Sheffield United, Blackpool and even Accrington rather than West Ham reserves.

Who wants to go to a Premier League gound just to see us play their U21s in front of 5000 of their fans - no thanks, its meaningless.

 

This really MUST be stopped, and we should all pull together to use our energies against a very real enemy that is just using smaller clubs as meaningless playthings for their own selfish development and greed.

[Trampilot]

I don't care if we do or don't try, or attendences are low.

 

This competition is for the lower leagues not Premiership reserve teams because they've signed too many players (good article Rob).

[Jacko51]

They've got one AR - http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/matchday/barclays-u21-premier-league-tables.html?paramYouthStage=NATIONAL

 

It just doesn't give the competitive edge first team football does.

 

That's an U21 league, not a Reserve League. The teams are limited to 3 players over the age of 21. Why not increase this 6 so that the youngsters are playing with more experienced players from whom they will learn more about "grown up" football? Also, how will letting the U21 teams into the JPT give them the competitive edge they crave when a lot of clubs, Vale included, play weakened teams themselves in the early rounds? It just doesn't make any sense at all.