Congratulations to UKIP

[carl]

He actually posted "I leave the house at 6:30am and get home at 8:15/8:30 most nights." ..there are monkeys in the jungles of South America who don't need usage of the 24 hour clock to understand that he was referring to 8:15/8:30 pm..the "most nights" bit is a giveaway.

 

Show me one News programme or tv service at 8pm at night which shows 0800. There isnt one. I would think even Monkeys nowadays use the 24 hr format. One mistake doesnt make the other one better

[geosname]

Show me one News programme or tv service at 8pm at night which shows 0800. There isnt one. I would think even Monkeys nowadays use the 24 hr format. One mistake doesnt make the other one better

 

There arent many wrist watches with a 24 hour format

[cheeky]

Don't be ridiculous.'The chip on your shoulder' mudslinging is getting rather boring now and outdated. Show me such a thread where I have a chip on my shoulder. It is just a cheapshot comment certain posters like yourself throw at me when they know I am right.

 

I can't show you where you are right, but your grasp of the Legal Aid system and how it works, you idea of what I do for a job and simple mathematics are examples of where you have been wrong over the last couple of pages on this thread alone.

[Robbie Earle's Perm]

Don't be ridiculous.'The chip on your shoulder' mudslinging is getting rather boring now and outdated. Show me such a thread where I have a chip on my shoulder. It is just a cheapshot comment certain posters like yourself throw at me when they know I am right.

 

If you are right I never want to be! ;)

 

You've shown a bagful of chips McCains would have been proud of with your dislike / hatred of Muslims, immigration, people who make something of their lives and have decent jobs, legal aid, foreign players that join football clubs etc.

 

Honestly what you write you clearly can't remember! Is it a case of a poor memory or as my mother said 'if you can't remember it, it must have been a lie'?

[Robbie Earle's Perm]

Show me one News programme or tv service at 8pm at night which shows 0800. There isnt one. I would think even Monkeys nowadays use the 24 hr format. One mistake doesnt make the other one better

 

Who wrote 0800...you did ;)

 

He wrote... 'at 6:30am and get home at 8:15/8:30 most nights'.

[Yukon]

If you are right I never want to be! ;)

 

You've shown a bagful of chips McCains would have been proud of with your dislike / hatred of Muslims, immigration, people who make something of their lives and have decent jobs, legal aid, foreign players that join football clubs etc.

 

Honestly what you write you clearly can't remember! Is it a case of a poor memory or as my mother said 'if you can't remember it, it must have been a lie'?

 

Don't forget the gays and the tall, he's got it in for them too!

 

Bitter, hated filled littel man man

[JOHNNYAITCH]

Show me one News programme or tv service at 8pm at night which shows 0800. There isnt one.

 

You don't say

 

Show me an adult human being of any level of intelligence and education (and who understands English so we can rule out most immigrants obviously) who would not understand that "8:15/8:30 most nights" is referring to 8:15/8:30 pm..there isn't one

 

I would think even Monkeys nowadays use the 24 hr format.

 

But they don't need to..they perfectly understand the alternatives (what am I saying)

 

One mistake doesnt make the other one better

 

Where was the mistake?

[JOHNNYAITCH]

Don't always bring things down to the working class v upper class, .....

 

Tut tut..remember in Carl's world it's white working class v upper class...those working class of a somewhat darker hue don't come into it.

[carl]

If you are right I never want to be! ;)

 

You've shown a bagful of chips McCains would have been proud of with your dislike / hatred of Muslims, immigration

 

Once again you are twisting my words to your own ends. I have never, ever said I dislike Muslims I have said I dislike the Extremist aspects of their religion. I have also not said I am against immigration, but for controlled immigration. Being a supporter of UKIP I would be in breach to say I wanted to rid of all different ethnicity. This is simply not the case. It is hard to stay calm and civil, even when contributing on a thread like this, when people misquote, are judgemental, stereotypical, bigotry and dismissive simply because, they do not want to hear your side of the argument.

 

I will not be on my own with this. There are many other people who are actually more involved with UKIP and who not just supporters but whom are up for Elections, who will face a lot more hatred and aggression than I ever will on this thread. Simply because it goes against their interests. The point of a democracy is to exercise political debate within a civil balanced manner, and people should then have the free choice, without pressure, intimidation, or extremism to cloud a parties true intentions. People who do oppose UKIP do it constantly, and in all honesty it is getting pathetic now. I referred to Muslims in their extremist guise. We are all in a false sense of Security if we think such extremists are limited to places into western Europe unlike Iraq and Syria. It is spreading into Italy, France everywhere. The ideology of such religion continues to attract Muslims that are from normal working backgrounds. The Asian working class. They defect to these places and are a real danger to our mainland security. That is why we are on as a nation, the highest security alert, together with the fact that any Muslim who is of extremist veiws are allowed to walk into the UK from other parts of Europe, on a whim. Farage has even said we should see Putin as an ally it is the extremist elements that we face and the most dangerous in 70 years. Let me add Putin is not English and yet Farage, quite rightly, states Putin is on our side against militant islam. See the link.

 

 

Where have I said I am against people who receive Legal Aid? I made a sarcastic reference that perhaps some Law firms are not using the system in the right way. I am not against people with decent jobs. I am against people who have come from silver spoon backgrounds who put down the working classes, whether white, black or pink, it is not the colour but the principle. And the reason, I have previously made reference to white working class, is the resentment of the establishment, that leads to people, like on this thread, putting down the white working class section as lazy, uneducated and wanting money for nothing. The so called 'Jeremy Kyle' generation and simplicity of comparing many unemployed people with these very small minorities. The majority of the two million people desire to get into employment, and to provide for their families. The media, now and again, will pick a very rare case when there is a couple who have everything on benefits etc but these stories are very much a minority that are magnified by the media to fool the middle classes into resenting these unemployed people, who are simply overlooked by the many multi national companies, whop prefer to import low wage migrants and send them away again when they are not needed. They are supported through the corrupt left winged EU to provide cheaper labour. These companies continue to prosper and knock the smaller businesses thus offering no competitiveness in the UK economy job market in terms of wage competitiveness or standards of living. I resent the way Working class people are portrayed, and I also resent the way the Tory led DWP sanction who people who do not take very low paid work. The days of slavery are supposed to be ceased. This is what I resent and what I hope, in time will turn the other way.

 

For those people who are in high paid salaries, then yes well done to them no animosity as long as they have worked their own way up and not had the silver spoon route which ensures that they get the highest standards of education. Many people do not have equal opportunity to even stay in high education, as they are trapped in low paid long hourly jobs. It is just not a fair system when we have politicians who have never ever worked, telling such people that they are lazy and need to pull their finger out. These politicians are hypocrites of the highest order.

 

So again, I have no chip on my shoulder, but I do resent the way working class people are continually downtrodden by these uncaring governments (Labour, Conservative and Lib Dems) and unelected European Union.

[Memphis]

Oh do shut up you ***!

[carl]

carl it's simply an observation based on your posts, not meant to be a cheapshot. Everything comes down to class with you, your posts are dominated with comments on class, and there's an underlying air of resentment when it comes to anyone having a well paid job or general wealth. It's not just me that's noticed it.

 

Things aren't that simple, the greatest Prime Minister of the 20th century in my opinion was Clement Attlee, his policies on Social Reform and his foreign policy have been lauded throughout history books. He was from a privelaged middle class background and it didn't stop him having a social conscience and doing great things. Don't always bring things down to the working class v upper class, the haves and the have nots, those with money and those struggling, "foreigners" v WASPS. It's about right and wrong, not always putting a label on something or someone.....

 

I am against people who have come from silver spoon backgrounds who put down the working classes, whether white, black or pink, it is not the colour but the principle. And the reason, I have previously made reference to white working class, is the resentment of the establishment, that leads to people, like on this thread, putting down the white working class section as lazy, uneducated.. please see my previous post for elaboration.

[carl]

Oh do shut up you ***!

 

And there is yet another example of abuse.

[carl]

Tut tut..remember in Carl's world it's white working class v upper class...those working class of a somewhat darker hue don't come into it.

 

The white working class is made reference to because of the way the biased left winged media portray a minority who live year on year on benefits and they never make reference to other unemployed ethnicities in the same way they would with a white English born person. I can dig up several examples, but I frankly cannot be bothered.

[For Us All]

And there is yet another example of abuse.

 

You might find more abuse if you tune in to Question Time tonight where Nigel Farage aned Russell Brand are both on the panel.No doubt the usual BBC hand picked left-wingers will be in the audience to try and discredit Ukip as much as possible.

The circus starts at 10.35,22.35,ten thirty five,twenty five to eleven,10.35pm,22.35pm for all those who get a bit confused about Greenwich Mean Time.:rolleyes::D;)

[Bea Smith]

The white working class is made reference to because of the way the biased left winged media portray a minority who live year on year on benefits and they never make reference to other unemployed ethnicities in the same way they would with a white English born person. I can dig up several examples, but I frankly cannot be bothered.

 

 

You are totally correct about the media references but they come from the biased right wing press who hate the working class, sadly we just don't have a left wing press and probably never will have. The endless TV programmes like Benefits Street and stories of people on benefits fail to mention that the rich tax-avoiders (Google, Starbucks and scummy comedians like Jimmy Carr, endless Tories) steal far more from the country than 10 times what is paid in benefits in total. Most of the worst offenders are foreign firms, the worst are from the US like the 2 examples I gave - but this comes from the right wing scum press like the Mail and the Express, the Sun.

Incidentally, I wouldn't worry if someone just posts telling you to 'shut up you xxx' as it means you have won that particular argument usually.