Nominations for smurfs panel!!

[Paul6754]

I agree with the comments that people from the SC should fill this role if the expertise is there. However, when businesses want an independent/alternative view or expertise on a topic for which there's none or little inhouse then they usually approach and pay for a consultant for a day or two, unfortunately this is usually expensive but it would be my preferred way.

 

Alternatively if the areas where help are identified the SC and OVF could help to find a Vale fan(s) with the required expertise.

[Jinkin John Jeffers]

SC need to be a separate entity and have no involvement in a panel. They can be partners to canvass opinion and feed back ideas, issues etc to the club.

[Fosse69]

SC need to be a separate entity and have no involvement in a panel. They can be partners to canvass opinion and feed back ideas, issues etc to the club.

What type of person would you expect to be on the panel? Ordinary supporters who canvass opinions, or people with specialist knowledge either of business or football? How will we know what is discussed in the panel? Either the club, the SC, or a web site or all the lot will have to inform us, or should we trust the local press?

[melv]

SC need to be a separate entity and have no involvement in a panel. They can be partners to canvass opinion and feed back ideas, issues etc to the club.

 

Sorry but the SC is the link between the supporters and the club.Yes there is room for improvement and i understand that this is on going.But IMHO i do think that IF the SC are willing to take on this role(a role which they are already doing anyway) then that's the way to go.They already have an understanding (pro's & con's) in how to communicate with Smurf so that in itself would be an advantage.

[Paul6754]

SC need to be a separate entity and have no involvement in a panel. They can be partners to canvass opinion and feed back ideas, issues etc to the club.

 

Why, if the supporters club contains people with the type of expertise required then why shouldn't they be involved especially if they gave their time for free. Its important for Smurf to identify what the issues are and hence what expertise is required.

 

In response to Fosse69, there is no need for supporters in general to be informed of the panel's work or involvement, PVFC isn't a commune.

[geosname]

It really depends on what smurf wants... to be decided I suppose.

Whoever does it, SC or others, they need to check the responsibilities, accountability's, vulnerabilities, liabilities, blameabilities and a few more ilities.

Including the financial and legal liabilities.

[geosname]

 

In response to Fosse69, there is no need for supporters in general to be informed of the panel's work or involvement, PVFC isn't a commune.

 

There is if he is looking for supporter approval/input/ideas.... otherwise he is looking for advisers who just happen to support Vale.. and again if he is looking for experienced/professional people liabilities, responsibilities and accountability's need to be clarified

[Conrad]

It really depends on what smurf wants... to be decided I suppose.

Whoever does it, SC or others, they need to check the responsibilities, accountability's, vulnerabilities, liabilities, blameabilities and a few more ilities.

Including the financial and legal liabilities.

 

I can see your point, but surely if the candidate was suitably qualified he or she would know what can / can't be done legally. For eg. Fair port nick has said he could do it, with his knowledge and expertise he would know what was legal or not.

[geosname]

I can see your point, but surely if the candidate was suitably qualified he or she would know what can / can't be done legally. For eg. Fair port nick has said he could do it, with his knowledge and expertise he would know what was legal or not.

 

I was thinking more of the collective rather than the individual.

I really does depend on what smurf wants.

If a panel is helping to make decisions will that panel be liable for some/any of the consequences/liabilities of those decisions? Although it could also apply to the individual too.

[Fosse69]

Why, if the supporters club contains people with the type of expertise required then why shouldn't they be involved especially if they gave their time for free. Its important for Smurf to identify what the issues are and hence what expertise is required.

 

In response to Fosse69, there is no need for supporters in general to be informed of the panel's work or involvement, PVFC isn't a commune.

Port Vale is not an ordinary business, it is part of the community, thus we need to know what is going on in general. Not all the fine detail, but enough to keep the fans interested, and any major moans dealt with, or at least explained. The alternative is to leave it to the press.

[melv]

I was thinking more of the collective rather than the individual.

I really does depend on what smurf wants.

If a panel is helping to make decisions will that panel be liable for some/any of the consequences/liabilities of those decisions? Although it could also apply to the individual too.

 

I don't think they would be liable.They would basically be advisors and the ultimate decision would be Smurfs.His money,his club,his decisions.

[geosname]

I don't think they would be liable.They would basically be advisors and the ultimate decision would be Smurfs.His money,his club,his decisions.

 

Advisers can be held liable, especially if they are professional people.

[Fosse69]

Advisers can be held liable, especially if they are professional people.

Will have to be made clear in the rules, limitations, etc of the panel.

[Paul6754]

There is if he is looking for supporter approval/input/ideas.... otherwise he is looking for advisers who just happen to support Vale.. and again if he is looking for experienced/professional people liabilities, responsibilities and accountability's need to be clarified

 

I very much doubt he's looking for supporter approval rather more input/ideas and expertise/experience in various areas of business from someone who's been there done that. Usually with business consultants/advisors they aren't liable, responsible if recommendations don't work out or accountable as they are only offering input/advice etc, it would be Smurf's decision to take on board the advice.....nice work if you can get it.

 

Consultants from the business/sports world would be expensive, hence finding a Vale fan(s), especially retired ones with time, with a track record and the right experience would be a big plus and a smart move.

[Little_Al]

Great post Paul. I do not think advisors are liable unless they pretend to be what they are not. There is also the question of a disclaimer and payment for services.