28 minutes ago, gavcradd said:

Not having that. He's had one decent spell at West Brom as his first job, then what? Failed at Doncaster, did well at Sheff Wed in League One when they were able to outspend and outmuscle everyone else in the league, failed at Huddersfield, then come here, spent megabucks and done nothing more than Andy Crosby could have done. He's never done well when he hasn't been able to financially out-bid every other team in the league.

I've never warmed to the bloke but I'm now firmly in the "Moore Out" camp. Carol can't keep hemorrhaging money when he's so crap. All of the talk around the stadiumm and on social media at 7pm last night was "what's the team? Where's Tolaj and Walters?" yet Moore says in his post-match interview that we can all say that with hindsight. No, we could all see that before kick off you muppet. He's cost us the points in that game, no argument about it

So he does well somewhere and that’s not down to him? That all sounds a bit biased to me. Whats carols money got to do with your opinion on him? It’s up to her how she spends it. 

Also your post made me go and check his Wikipedia page. He just missed out on the play offs with Doncaster because of the Covid season. Then he left them the season after to join Wednesday when Doncaster were sitting in the play off places. Hardly a failure. If anything Huddersfield is the anomaly on paper. 

Yes his tinkering is frustrating. Really frustrating.  But he you can’t really judge anything with us until this season is done. Problem is that some fans are too quick to write the season off when we’re only 1 point away from the automatics with 8 games to go. It’s still n our hands too given the games we have left. Which when you think about it is ridiculous, because anyone would have taken that if given the option at the start of the season. 

if we go up this season what will your excuse be, because I assume our success won’t be because of DM.

Edited March 26, 20251 yr by PV1973

YT Video of their goalie talking about the game last night, "Sometimes as a goalie you feel unbeatable", damn.

 

19 minutes ago, PV1973 said:

So he does well somewhere and that’s not down to him? That all sounds a bit biased to me. 

Yes his tinkering is frustrating. But he you can’t really judge anything with us until this season is done. Problem is that some fans are too quick to right the season off when we’re only 1 point away from the automatics with 8 games to go. Which when you think about it is ridiculous, because anyone would have taken that if given the option at the start of the season. 

He also left Doncaster in a far better place than when he took over. His sackings at West Brom & Donny were suprising especially the timing of them. Both comfortable in the playoff positions. In his first stint in charge of West Brom he did a brilliant job & nearly kept them up in a seemingly impossible task. Including a manager of the month award & a premier league victory at Old Trafford. Sheffield Wednesday he got them promoted, yes he had a very good budget but that doesn’t guarantee success it just lifts expectations. I’d say all of those jobs were more success than a failure. Huddersfield he definitely failed. Some people will blame him for part of our relegation & I get that. We certainly saw no improvement when he took over & we had more than enough games to stay up. Who knows what the outcome will be this season but going off his managerial career he’s not done too shabby up to now. Do I like his tactics.. No! Should he be getting better out of this squad in terms of performances… I believe so. Are his selections mind boggling… For sure! I understand fans frustration. I’d be worried if we went up if he has the skills & assets to keep us up but at the same time I’d be delighted we’ve got out of this division at the first attempt. A feat that’s not achieved very often & definitely not what Vale do in recent years. It’s a tricky one I see it from both sides but let’s just wait & see what happens from now until May. He’ll either get us promoted or he will be relieved of his duties in my opinion. UTV

Edited March 26, 20251 yr by VTID-New

5 minutes ago, VTID-New said:

He also left Doncaster in a far better place than when he took over. His sackings at West Brom & Donny were suprising especially the timing of them. Both comfortable in the playoff positions. In his first stint in charge of West Brom he did a brilliant job & nearly kept them up in a seemingly impossible task. Including a manager of the month award & a premier league victory at Old Trafford. Sheffield Wednesday he got them promoted, yes he had a very good budget but that doesn’t guarantee success it just lifts expectations. I’d say all of those jobs were more success than a failure. Huddersfield he definitely failed. Some people will blame him for part of our relegation & I get that. We certainly saw no improvement when he took over & we had more than enough games to stay up. Who knows what the outcome will be this season but going off his managerial career he’s not done too shabby up to now. Do I like his tactics.. No! Should he be getting better out of this squad in terms of performances… I believe so. Are his selections mind boggling… For sure! I understand fans frustration. I’d be worried if we went up if he has the skills & assets to keep us up but at the same time I’d be delighted we’ve got out of this division at the first attempt. A feat that’s not achieved very often & definitely not what Vale do in recent years. It’s a tricky one I see it from both sides but let’s just wait & see what happens from now until May. He’ll either get us promoted or he will be relieved of his duties in my opinion. UTV

I was in the process of editing my original post to mention the Doncaster job. I don’t think he was sacked from there though, I think Wednesday poached him. 

4 minutes ago, PV1973 said:

I was in the process of editing my original post to mention the Doncaster job. I don’t think he was sacked from there though, I think Wednesday poached him. 

Your right I stand corrected on that comment 👍🏻 obviously why their fanbase are so salty towards him 

Edited March 26, 20251 yr by VTID-New

5 hours ago, darren1810 said:

One thing I did Garner from last night, which a lot of us know anyway. 

Debrah and Smith can't be given the football with time on their hands. 

Both utterly clueless and bereft of ideas. I realise at times ,in fact very often there was no movement ahead of them. But some of the punts and hoofs were terrible. 

Nothing but hit and hope. Both in the same backline is not a good idea. 

Smith didn't play till was it New year's day and Debrah was rightly jettisoned. So fortunately they haven't played too many games together. 

I don't look forward to another 8 games with them as a pairing in the middle and on the right side. Sadly I think that will be the case. 

Agreed, although at least smith can defend 

36 minutes ago, gavcradd said:

Not having that. He's had one decent spell at West Brom as his first job, then what? Failed at Doncaster, did well at Sheff Wed in League One when they were able to outspend and outmuscle everyone else in the league, failed at Huddersfield, then come here, spent megabucks and done nothing more than Andy Crosby could have done. He's never done well when he hasn't been able to financially out-bid every other team in the league.

I've never warmed to the bloke but I'm now firmly in the "Moore Out" camp. Carol can't keep hemorrhaging money when he's so crap. All of the talk around the stadiumm and on social media at 7pm last night was "what's the team? Where's Tolaj and Walters?" yet Moore says in his post-match interview that we can all say that with hindsight. No, we could all see that before kick off you muppet. He's cost us the points in that game, no argument about it

I agree his approach at home has undoubtedly cost us points but conversely that style also won us points on the road.and we would have even more points has it not been for some incredible officiating errors at Bromley and Bradford.

Either way you slice it the stats don’t lie, DM has a decent win % and points per game record at each club except 1.

 

Edited March 26, 20251 yr by MBE

3 hours ago, JoeB2 said:

Have Vale fans always been this vocally negative in the stadium? It feels like it’s worse now than it has been previously. 

Don’t get me wrong - the first half last night was garbage. Tedious. Crap. I was quietly dismayed.

I was absolutely staggered by the open dissent. Audible groans, whingeing, booing. This was 20 minutes in. Classic wails of GET EET FORWARD. Men on the verge of breakdowns. 

The atmosphere was utterly horrendous and, whilst I accept that that was largely because of the performance, we’re not robots - we’re allowed to make a racket even if the team aren’t doing well.

Dunno. I can moan for England but I was genuinely shocked, and a bit disappointed, by both the vocal negativity and the absolute muteness of most Valiants last night. We’re still level points for third with excellent recent home form!

I know people will say “well, the performance was bad, ergo the fans are allowed to boo and offer no chanting”, but I find that such a depressing and passive view of being a football fan - that all we can do is react to what’s in front of us and can never even hope to create an atmosphere independent of performance. 

I think the booing is worsened by the fact we know we are capable of far, far better. So our expectation is higher for this squad than the performance they turned in first half.

2 hours ago, PV1993 said:

Agreed. Debrah and Smith (and Heneghan) should only ever be in the middle of the back three. Playing them anywhere else ruins the system.

I’d keep Debrah as a back up next year as he’s a good option to have with pace and is young enough to develop (As Joe pointed out a while ago), but I wouldn’t keep the other two. For that matter, if we’re in L1 I wouldn’t have Hall either and Sang is 50/50 as back up.

 

Can anyone honestly say Debrah has developed since last season. I’ve noticed no improvement in his game whatsoever. Still <ovf censored> in the air, weak as piss for a lad that’s 6ft 3, and terrible on the ball. And also he’s a reactive defender, who is bailed out by his pace.

My opinion won't change that Moore is the worst manager we have ever had. The only thing he has done well is to get a good balanced squad together. However, constant team changes & defensive line ups are appalling. You should always play your strongest team. If someone gets injured, replace them with the next best. There is no reason for ever playing 3 centre backs at home. 

1 hour ago, MBE said:

Get that, ultimately like for like sub

He came on for Harper

30 minutes ago, Essex Boy said:

My opinion won't change that Moore is the worst manager we have ever had. The only thing he has done well is to get a good balanced squad together. However, constant team changes & defensive line ups are appalling. You should always play your strongest team. If someone gets injured, replace them with the next best. There is no reason for ever playing 3 centre backs at home. 

What, Worse than Gannon? 

Edited March 26, 20251 yr by barny61

59 minutes ago, PV1973 said:

So he does well somewhere and that’s not down to him? That all sounds a bit biased to me. Whats carols money got to do with your opinion on him? It’s up to her how she spends it. 

Also your post made me go and check his Wikipedia page. He just missed out on the play offs with Doncaster because of the Covid season. Then he left them the season after to join Wednesday when Doncaster were sitting in the play off places. Hardly a failure. If anything Huddersfield is the anomaly on paper. 

Yes his tinkering is frustrating. Really frustrating.  But he you can’t really judge anything with us until this season is done. Problem is that some fans are too quick to write the season off when we’re only 1 point away from the automatics with 8 games to go. It’s still n our hands too given the games we have left. Which when you think about it is ridiculous, because anyone would have taken that if given the option at the start of the season. 

if we go up this season what will your excuse be, because I assume our success won’t be because of DM.

If we go up this season , it will be in spite of him rather than because of him. Last night I watched  Garrity , John and  Sang stare at Moore  with a “ What are we doing”?  look, particularly Garrity . It’s the players who eventually take the game by the scruff of the neck , albeit for only 45 mins. 

1 hour ago, gavcradd said:

Not having that. He's had one decent spell at West Brom as his first job, then what? Failed at Doncaster, did well at Sheff Wed in League One when they were able to outspend and outmuscle everyone else in the league, failed at Huddersfield, then come here, spent megabucks and done nothing more than Andy Crosby could have done. He's never done well when he hasn't been able to financially out-bid every other team in the league.

I've never warmed to the bloke but I'm now firmly in the "Moore Out" camp. Carol can't keep hemorrhaging money when he's so crap. All of the talk around the stadiumm and on social media at 7pm last night was "what's the team? Where's Tolaj and Walters?" yet Moore says in his post-match interview that we can all say that with hindsight. No, we could all see that before kick off you muppet. He's cost us the points in that game, no argument about it

You have every right to disagree,as you say he did well at WBA but you say then what,failed at Doncaster,did he?? he left them in the league one play off positions to join sheff wed so no he didn't imo,he then as you say had a big budget at sheff wed but we all know big budgets dont always get you promotion,he got sheff wed promoted to the championship. Yes we can say he failed at Huddersfield(but he didn't bring in any of his players and wasn't given time to build a team),he then failed(again without any of his players) when he came here,he has since been given a very good budget and had 2 windows here and has us sat in joint 3rd ...... so like it or not i will stick with he isn't a terrible manager 

49 minutes ago, VTID-New said:

He also left Doncaster in a far better place than when he took over. His sackings at West Brom & Donny were suprising especially the timing of them. Both comfortable in the playoff positions. In his first stint in charge of West Brom he did a brilliant job & nearly kept them up in a seemingly impossible task. Including a manager of the month award & a premier league victory at Old Trafford. Sheffield Wednesday he got them promoted, yes he had a very good budget but that doesn’t guarantee success it just lifts expectations. I’d say all of those jobs were more success than a failure. Huddersfield he definitely failed. Some people will blame him for part of our relegation & I get that. We certainly saw no improvement when he took over & we had more than enough games to stay up. Who knows what the outcome will be this season but going off his managerial career he’s not done too shabby up to now. Do I like his tactics.. No! Should he be getting better out of this squad in terms of performances… I believe so. Are his selections mind boggling… For sure! I understand fans frustration. I’d be worried if we went up if he has the skills & assets to keep us up but at the same time I’d be delighted we’ve got out of this division at the first attempt. A feat that’s not achieved very often & definitely not what Vale do in recent years. It’s a tricky one I see it from both sides but let’s just wait & see what happens from now until May. He’ll either get us promoted or he will be relieved of his duties in my opinion. UTV

He wasn't sacked by Donny mate,he left them in the league one play offs and they went on to finish 14th(so their fans have a good reason to be bitter i guess)