PVFC Meet delegation of fans regarding current concerns

[Emile]

I think you are being a little harsh on these groups that are trying to do good for the club with very little reward. 

But I do agree, without any real explanation of the meeting it hasn't done anything to appease the general supporter who wants info. You could argue that's because these groups have chosen not to be public about the meeting and are happy to have the information for themselves. 

If the club want to appease the fans then they should announce an open forum now for the end of the season. No pre-approved questions and film it for those who can't make it (with proper audio as the last one was not listenable). 

[Stamfordvale]

39 minutes ago, Spunk Trumpet said:

With no official comment from any of the said bodies in that meeting, I would say it was a meeting to appease those who head those factions. And by the way not one of them matter. Not to the fans or the clubs. I mean, the black and good group? Get a <ovf censored> grip. That ship sailed long ago and shouldn’t exist still!

The supporters club. 
Who is the chairman these days? 
When are the meetings? 
Tell me why you represent ME as a supporter? 
You are absolutely pointless!

Who was the third? The NLV? 
Virtue signaling lot. 

All three factions. You do realise she is appeasing you all. You do realise this bides her more time for David. And I really really hope you all realise that after that statement you’ll make statements in your own little bubbles and social media sites. 
 

So show us YOUR conclusions after this meeting.

I won’t hold my breath. 

That hits the spot, well said, absolutely correct 👍

[Stamfordvale]

They'll be singing "Oh Carol " by Neil Sedaka next 🤣

[Spunk Trumpet]

Also, having thought about it, was it a real face to face meeting? 
Or was it a zoom meeting?

Theres a huge difference in meeting people face to face and then looking at a screen and talking.

I would bet my last pound that this was zoom oriented. 
To pacify the masses.

I am very happy to be proven wrong. 

[Birdy]

28 minutes ago, Spunk Trumpet said:

With no official comment from any of the said bodies in that meeting, I would say it was a meeting to appease those who head those factions. And by the way not one of them matter. Not to the fans or the clubs. I mean, the black and good group? Get a <ovf censored> grip. That ship sailed long ago and shouldn’t exist still!

The supporters club. 
Who is the chairman these days? 
When are the meetings? 
Tell me why you represent ME as a supporter? 
You are absolutely pointless!

Who was the third? The NLV? 
Virtue signaling lot. 

All three factions. You do realise she is appeasing you all. You do realise this bides her more time for David. And I really really hope you all realise that after that statement you’ll make statements in your own little bubbles and social media sites. 
 

So show us YOUR conclusions after this meeting.

I won’t hold my breath. 

Mum walk in on you w**king this morning youth? 😉

Your local virtue signalling, woke Londoner here.

There were a few people, not me, who have put so much thought, time and effort into this meeting - some travelling 6 hours, and represented yours/our frustrations. Instead of contributing little, I ask you to trust them - they have the fans/club at heart. 

 

 

[JoeB2]

54 minutes ago, Spunk Trumpet said:

Also, having thought about it, was it a real face to face meeting? 
Or was it a zoom meeting?

Theres a huge difference in meeting people face to face and then looking at a screen and talking.

I would bet my last pound that this was zoom oriented. 
To pacify the masses.

I am very happy to be proven wrong. 

It was face to face.

£10 to charity sounds fair?

Edited March 7 by JoeB2

[Spunk Trumpet]

1 hour ago, Birdy said:

Mum walk in on you w**king this morning youth? 😉

Your local virtue signalling, woke Londoner here.

There were a few people, not me, who have put so much thought, time and effort into this meeting - some travelling 6 hours, and represented yours/our frustrations. Instead of contributing little, I ask you to trust them - they have the fans/club at heart. 

 

 

Firstly “youth”. I’m a 43 year old man who has lived away from home for 25 years.

Secondly, I don’t doubt whatsoever that any Vale fan has the club at heart. We all do. 

Thirdly. You say I’ve contributed little? Is that right? Where have I contributed little? How much do you know of what i have contributed to this club?

Im glad the meeting happened. 

Brilliant.

So instead of having a go at me, tell your friends at NLV and the supporters club and the Black and Gold (which really is pathetic now and shouldn’t be involved) to make statements on their behalf, through their own organisations, to let the average fan know what is going on and how those talks went.

The statement from the club went on about communication and yet no supporter knew this was happening??!! 
So don’t fans have a right to be pissed off and be in the dark?

Edited March 7 by Spunk Trumpet

[Danish Valiant]

1 minute ago, JoeB2 said:

It was face to face. I’ll send you my bank details.

So I take it you where present at the meeting? 😊

So perhaps you can explain why this vague statement was agreed upon, with absolutely zero genuine content of the meeting being revealed? I think that is what 99% of people are angry about. That we are still told absolute nothing, and that all fans that seem to have been there, all of a sudden talk like politicians and wont tell a single detail about answers given at the meeting. Did you sign an NDA? In my humble opinion, this is just creating an even bigger divide, instead of pulling fans together. 😞

[Bede]

29 minutes ago, Spunk Trumpet said:

Also, having thought about it, was it a real face to face meeting? 
Or was it a zoom meeting?

Theres a huge difference in meeting people face to face and then looking at a screen and talking.

I would bet my last pound that this was zoom oriented. 
To pacify the masses.

I am very happy to be proven wrong. 

Happy to prove you wrong Paul.

Black & Gold have continued to exist since its inception back in about 2008/9, in the background, to gauge fans' feelings and I suppose judge the performance of the club.  We have an excellent source of research to delve deeper into things.

Mark Porter is the chair of the SC and, until recently, the meetings were held on the final Thursday of each month.  However, we have just changed that to bi-monthly to allow us to have more regular committee meetings to allow us to operate better.  Sadly, our website got hacked and damaged so we are struggling for an official means of communications whilst our new one is currently being built.  (I'm the SC secretary by the way)

Tell you why we represent you?  We listen at meetings and we listen to fans in the stands, in the pubs, on social media and on forums such as this.  We represent you by collectively discussing what we can do within our powers as supporter groups.  That has led to lots of very frank dialogue with the club over the past couple of months, resulting in this meeting to hit it all face on with the people at the top.

Yes, this meeting was face to face.  No, we have not been pacified and nobody, not a single person, has changed their views on David Flitcroft or the disconnect between fans and club.  I'm absolutely astounded at the bizarre criticisms that we've 'had our bellies tickled' and other such nonsense.  As a result of our initial meeting, the club now fully understand the deep-rooted issues the fans have. It is the first step in a long road ahead.

There will, of course, be further communication back to the fans, no doubt from both sides, but we also have to be pragmatic and sensible.  We will do nothing knee-jerk.

The fans have had faith in those groups to act for the betterment of the club in the past.  We ask for the same again.

[Spunk Trumpet]

4 minutes ago, JoeB2 said:

It was face to face.

£10 to charity sounds fair?

If you all drove up to Vale park for a meeting like this, without letting the fans know, and the supporters club, and the black and gold joke, then I’m lost for words.

Have a tenner.

Virtue signaling at its finest.

Prove me wrong! 
Where is the supporters club statement? 
Where is the NLV statement? 
 

What’s happened is a bunch of people Carol does not respect, has just been told how things are and there isn’t anything you can do about it. 
Because she has the power. Flitcroft has more power. And Thankyou very much.

Youre welcome.

[JoeB2]

Just now, Danish Valiant said:

So I take it you where present at the meeting? 😊

So perhaps you can explain why this vague statement was agreed upon, with absolutely zero genuine content of the meeting being revealed? I think that is what 99% of people are angry about. That we are still told absolute nothing, and that all fans that seem to have been there, all of a sudden talk like politicians and wont tell a single detail about answers given at the meeting. Did you sign an NDA? In my humble opinion, this is just creating an even bigger divide, instead of pulling fans together. 😞

I wasn’t present. Was invited and chose not to attend - as a result I am aware of bits and pieces.

All I know is that the fans will have a reason that things are not being shared. They’re good people. It quite possibly isn’t there choice.

[Kendra]

Looking from outside seems she's been brainwashed  a bit, DF went for a  interview for managers job and came out as DOF, then she's been advised sign Dm, and a complete entourage of staff which if it doesn't work out will cost thousands, the money spent could of bought a forward or two in surely

[JoeB2]

5 minutes ago, Spunk Trumpet said:

If you all drove up to Vale park for a meeting like this, without letting the fans know, and the supporters club, and the black and gold joke, then I’m lost for words.

Have a tenner.

Virtue signaling at its finest.

Prove me wrong! 
Where is the supporters club statement? 
Where is the NLV statement? 
 

What’s happened is a bunch of people Carol does not respect, has just been told how things are and there isn’t anything you can do about it. 
Because she has the power. Flitcroft has more power. And Thankyou very much.

Youre welcome.

I wasn’t there, Paul. Nowt to do with me.

It’s 8:06am on a Thursday and you’re absolutely frothing at the mouth on a football forum over a meeting, taking shots at all and sundry.

Please, go and eat some breakfast and maybe go outside. This isn’t that deep. It comes across as quite unhealthy.

Edited March 7 by JoeB2

[Danish Valiant]

4 minutes ago, Bede said:

Happy to prove you wrong Paul.

Black & Gold have continued to exist since its inception back in about 2008/9, in the background, to gauge fans' feelings and I suppose judge the performance of the club.  We have an excellent source of research to delve deeper into things.

Mark Porter is the chair of the SC and, until recently, the meetings were held on the final Thursday of each month.  However, we have just changed that to bi-monthly to allow us to have more regular committee meetings to allow us to operate better.  Sadly, our website got hacked and damaged so we are struggling for an official means of communications whilst our new one is currently being built.  (I'm the SC secretary by the way)

Tell you why we represent you?  We listen at meetings and we listen to fans in the stands, in the pubs, on social media and on forums such as this.  We represent you by collectively discussing what we can do within our powers as supporter groups.  That has led to lots of very frank dialogue with the club over the past couple of months, resulting in this meeting to hit it all face on with the people at the top.

Yes, this meeting was face to face.  No, we have not been pacified and nobody, not a single person, has changed their views on David Flitcroft or the disconnect between fans and club.  I'm absolutely astounded at the bizarre criticisms that we've 'had our bellies tickled' and other such nonsense.  As a result of our initial meeting, the club now fully understand the deep-rooted issues the fans have. It is the first step in a long road ahead.

There will, of course, be further communication back to the fans, no doubt from both sides, but we also have to be pragmatic and sensible.  We will do nothing knee-jerk.

The fans have had faith in those groups to act for the betterment of the club in the past.  We ask for the same again.

What is it that can’t be said now? What is ir we’re waiting for? How can telling people the general answers be ‘knee jerk’?

People just want to know what the h… was said! And I personally don’t understand, why you agreed to this vague statement, saying absolutely nothing. And then all of you present, comes out defending it with all these politician answers, still saying absolutely nothing.

What was said that is so secret? You’d think nuclear launch codes was shared 😵‍💫

[Rampant Zebra]

2 hours ago, CAVALIER said:

Just out of curiosity , who would you want as owner and how would you go about it?

I think the decision about potential new owners is Carols, us fans just have to decide if we want to go and watch matches.