Squad for next season

[Paul6754]

21 hours ago, Walka003 said:

21 hours ago, Paul6754 said:

IMHO, Dave Worrall, Wilson when he's match fit and next year possible Forrester are top 6 Lge i players, the rest is on point.

Woz 5 years ago potentially. I don't think anyone in the top 6 is taking him at his age.

Was thinking more of performance/quality wise than any potential transfer,  I hope he stays at Vale 'til his playing days are over. Consistent quality performer at Lge 1 level, the skill and battling way he won the corner vs Burton on Saturday, virtually just after the kick-off, epitomized Dave Worrall for me.

[Walka003]

Was thinking more of performance/quality wise than any potential transfer,  I hope he stays at Vale 'til his playing days are over. Consistent quality performer at Lge 1 level, the skill and battling way he won the corner vs Burton on Saturday, virtually just after the kick-off, epitomized Dave Worrall for me.

Agreed!

[Osh]

I swore I’d stop getting involved in this and keep my gob shut, but – as a committed Vale fan, I can’t resist replying.

So, here’s my list

Stone – I’d keep but send out on loan; I’d recruit a Championship keeper as a priority and also a young keeper as backup.

Smith - Keep. Yes, he does have some limitations but I think he has improved since the start of the year  He needs to keep improving..

Forrester - Keep. Massive potential.

Cass - Keep. I’d give him another season, at least.  Again has potential but needs to prove a bit more.  If he can’t then I’d let him go the following year.

Agyakwa – I’d need to see more of him.  He looked nervus on his debut but doesn’t everyone.  I’d want to see him through to the end of the season before deciding.

Jones - Keep. For me he’s currently Player of The Season and is the one player who can make an 80 yard pass in to the forwards.

Benning – Has to go, sadly. Think EFL2 is his level.

Robinson - Keep. Huge potential and needs Clarky, et el, to coach him to grow.

Pett - Keep. First name on the team sheet right now; has grown as the season has progressed.

Ojo - Keep. Graer class, good EFL1 player.

Conlon - Keep. He’d get one more season for me, even given the option to move to LB/replace Benning.

Garrity - Keep. Greatly improved.

Holden - Undecided. I’d give him until the end of the season; he’s ripping up trees in training but not getting much game time.

Worrall - Keep. I’d tie him up for 2 years and then get him into the coaching staff.

Massey - Get rid. I just don’t see the player that others see.  And that’s being kind.  Think he’d do OK at EFL2 level, though.

Proctor - Keep. I’d hate – utterly hate to play against him.  Natural striker and must be hated by the opposition defence.

Harrison - Keep. Done enough to earn another year but I don’t think he’s as fantastic as everyone makes out.  Needs to do a LOT more for me..

Wilson - Keep. By a country mile Vale’s best player and such talent.  There’s a reason why he’s been injured so much as other teams kick him up in the air every week.  He’s Vales No9!!

Loanees

Stevens - Not good enough.

Donnelly – If we can keep him I would, again so much potential.

Politic – I’d give him one more year to prove himself.  He’s out of contract so shouldn’t cost us a fee.

Butterworth – I’d keep him another year, think he’d work very well in the hole behind Taylor.

Taylor – Flattered in front of gal so far but his movement is sublime.  Sign him for 2 years and lets see the goals go in. 

Some are saying that not one in the team has developed at all this; I find that astonishing.  Garrety has made great strides, as has Smudger and Jones, Willo is easily comfortable at this level, as is Pett and Forrester.

For me we need a keeper and three or four outfield players, they need to bed in quickly and mesh as a team.  More importantly we then need to play with confidence as you can see, since the back end of last year – when we had zero strike force, we’ve struggled to do that.  Look at the compliments we’ve been paid by Ipswich, Barnsley, Derby, Plymouth, Bolt etc, we’re not far off having a very good team.

So, (baring a major disaster in the next 8 weeks) we’ve stayed up this season.  Job done; mission for this season accomplished.  Next season we need to aim to finish in the top ten and then following season develop further and getting in the play-offs.  If we can build on and off the field as a club and be in the Championship in 3 years’ time we stand less chance of dropping straight back down.  EFL2 steady before Championship Ready.

Just my 2’ worth.

UTV and KTF!

[Brian Johnson]

49 minutes ago, Osh said:

I swore I’d stop getting involved in this and keep my gob shut, but – as a committed Vale fan, I can’t resist replying.

So, here’s my list

Stone – I’d keep but send out on loan; I’d recruit a Championship keeper as a priority and also a young keeper as backup.

Smith - Keep. Yes, he does have some limitations but I think he has improved since the start of the year  He needs to keep improving..

Forrester - Keep. Massive potential.

Cass - Keep. I’d give him another season, at least.  Again has potential but needs to prove a bit more.  If he can’t then I’d let him go the following year.

Agyakwa – I’d need to see more of him.  He looked nervus on his debut but doesn’t everyone.  I’d want to see him through to the end of the season before deciding.

Jones - Keep. For me he’s currently Player of The Season and is the one player who can make an 80 yard pass in to the forwards.

Benning – Has to go, sadly. Think EFL2 is his level.

Robinson - Keep. Huge potential and needs Clarky, et el, to coach him to grow.

Pett - Keep. First name on the team sheet right now; has grown as the season has progressed.

Ojo - Keep. Graer class, good EFL1 player.

Conlon - Keep. He’d get one more season for me, even given the option to move to LB/replace Benning.

Garrity - Keep. Greatly improved.

Holden - Undecided. I’d give him until the end of the season; he’s ripping up trees in training but not getting much game time.

Worrall - Keep. I’d tie him up for 2 years and then get him into the coaching staff.

Massey - Get rid. I just don’t see the player that others see.  And that’s being kind.  Think he’d do OK at EFL2 level, though.

Proctor - Keep. I’d hate – utterly hate to play against him.  Natural striker and must be hated by the opposition defence.

Harrison - Keep. Done enough to earn another year but I don’t think he’s as fantastic as everyone makes out.  Needs to do a LOT more for me..

Wilson - Keep. By a country mile Vale’s best player and such talent.  There’s a reason why he’s been injured so much as other teams kick him up in the air every week.  He’s Vales No9!!

Loanees

Stevens - Not good enough.

Donnelly – If we can keep him I would, again so much potential.

Politic – I’d give him one more year to prove himself.  He’s out of contract so shouldn’t cost us a fee.

Butterworth – I’d keep him another year, think he’d work very well in the hole behind Taylor.

Taylor – Flattered in front of gal so far but his movement is sublime.  Sign him for 2 years and lets see the goals go in. 

Some are saying that not one in the team has developed at all this; I find that astonishing.  Garrety has made great strides, as has Smudger and Jones, Willo is easily comfortable at this level, as is Pett and Forrester.

For me we need a keeper and three or four outfield players, they need to bed in quickly and mesh as a team.  More importantly we then need to play with confidence as you can see, since the back end of last year – when we had zero strike force, we’ve struggled to do that.  Look at the compliments we’ve been paid by Ipswich, Barnsley, Derby, Plymouth, Bolt etc, we’re not far off having a very good team.

So, (baring a major disaster in the next 8 weeks) we’ve stayed up this season.  Job done; mission for this season accomplished.  Next season we need to aim to finish in the top ten and then following season develop further and getting in the play-offs.  If we can build on and off the field as a club and be in the Championship in 3 years’ time we stand less chance of dropping straight back down.  EFL2 steady before Championship Ready.

Just my 2’ worth.

UTV and KTF!

So keep basically most the squad that's been pap for most of the year?

[Osh]

Just now, Brian Johnson said:

So keep basically most the squad that's been pap for most of the year?

That's where I disagree with you. 

I don't see us as "pap" 

I see us a team coming to terms in a higher league; I see us as a team that have had massive injury problems. 

And with respect, I prefer listening to the plaudits we've received rather than people like you saying we're just "pap".

IF we can bring in three or four good players in the closed season and improve the squad then I think that will be great. If, however, we have a massive clear out and get rid of 50-60% of the team, we risk bringing in a new team and they could crash and burn. 

Just my opinion. Yours is different. 

[DazFred]

1 hour ago, Osh said:

I swore I’d stop getting involved in this and keep my gob shut, but – as a committed Vale fan, I can’t resist replying.

So, here’s my list

Stone – I’d keep but send out on loan; I’d recruit a Championship keeper as a priority and also a young keeper as backup.

Smith - Keep. Yes, he does have some limitations but I think he has improved since the start of the year  He needs to keep improving..

Forrester - Keep. Massive potential.

Cass - Keep. I’d give him another season, at least.  Again has potential but needs to prove a bit more.  If he can’t then I’d let him go the following year.

Agyakwa – I’d need to see more of him.  He looked nervus on his debut but doesn’t everyone.  I’d want to see him through to the end of the season before deciding.

Jones - Keep. For me he’s currently Player of The Season and is the one player who can make an 80 yard pass in to the forwards.

Benning – Has to go, sadly. Think EFL2 is his level.

Robinson - Keep. Huge potential and needs Clarky, et el, to coach him to grow.

Pett - Keep. First name on the team sheet right now; has grown as the season has progressed.

Ojo - Keep. Graer class, good EFL1 player.

Conlon - Keep. He’d get one more season for me, even given the option to move to LB/replace Benning.

Garrity - Keep. Greatly improved.

Holden - Undecided. I’d give him until the end of the season; he’s ripping up trees in training but not getting much game time.

Worrall - Keep. I’d tie him up for 2 years and then get him into the coaching staff.

Massey - Get rid. I just don’t see the player that others see.  And that’s being kind.  Think he’d do OK at EFL2 level, though.

Proctor - Keep. I’d hate – utterly hate to play against him.  Natural striker and must be hated by the opposition defence.

Harrison - Keep. Done enough to earn another year but I don’t think he’s as fantastic as everyone makes out.  Needs to do a LOT more for me..

Wilson - Keep. By a country mile Vale’s best player and such talent.  There’s a reason why he’s been injured so much as other teams kick him up in the air every week.  He’s Vales No9!!

Loanees

Stevens - Not good enough.

Donnelly – If we can keep him I would, again so much potential.

Politic – I’d give him one more year to prove himself.  He’s out of contract so shouldn’t cost us a fee.

Butterworth – I’d keep him another year, think he’d work very well in the hole behind Taylor.

Taylor – Flattered in front of gal so far but his movement is sublime.  Sign him for 2 years and lets see the goals go in. 

Some are saying that not one in the team has developed at all this; I find that astonishing.  Garrety has made great strides, as has Smudger and Jones, Willo is easily comfortable at this level, as is Pett and Forrester.

For me we need a keeper and three or four outfield players, they need to bed in quickly and mesh as a team.  More importantly we then need to play with confidence as you can see, since the back end of last year – when we had zero strike force, we’ve struggled to do that.  Look at the compliments we’ve been paid by Ipswich, Barnsley, Derby, Plymouth, Bolt etc, we’re not far off having a very good team.

So, (baring a major disaster in the next 8 weeks) we’ve stayed up this season.  Job done; mission for this season accomplished.  Next season we need to aim to finish in the top ten and then following season develop further and getting in the play-offs.  If we can build on and off the field as a club and be in the Championship in 3 years’ time we stand less chance of dropping straight back down.  EFL2 steady before Championship Ready.

Just my 2’ worth.

UTV and KTF!

You mean you wouldn't get rid of all of the squad Osh? Those who have been absolute tripe,yet got us close to the playoffs?

On our day we're as good as anyone. Trouble is we've not been pretty on the eye at home and lost too many points especially from leading positions.

Personally I think we need 2 keepers,a LWB,an ugly old fashioned CB and the whole blooming fitness needs to improve!

I'd release Holden and Massey...they don't do enough for me. I like Politic and would look to sign him...maybe look at Donnelly again. Butters looked promising but hasn't been involved and I wouldn't keep Taylor...too many easy chances missed for me.

[DazFred]

53 minutes ago, Osh said:

That's where I disagree with you. 

I don't see us as "pap" 

I see us a team coming to terms in a higher league; I see us as a team that have had massive injury problems. 

And with respect, I prefer listening to the plaudits we've received rather than people like you saying we're just "pap".

IF we can bring in three or four good players in the closed season and improve the squad then I think that will be great. If, however, we have a massive clear out and get rid of 50-60% of the team, we risk bringing in a new team and they could crash and burn. 

Just my opinion. Yours is different. 

I'm sure Brian is Carl off the radio...

[SFBT]

2 hours ago, Osh said:

I swore I’d stop getting involved in this and keep my gob shut, but – as a committed Vale fan, I can’t resist replying.

So, here’s my list

Stone – I’d keep but send out on loan; I’d recruit a Championship keeper as a priority and also a young keeper as backup.

Smith - Keep. Yes, he does have some limitations but I think he has improved since the start of the year  He needs to keep improving..

Forrester - Keep. Massive potential.

Cass - Keep. I’d give him another season, at least.  Again has potential but needs to prove a bit more.  If he can’t then I’d let him go the following year.

Agyakwa – I’d need to see more of him.  He looked nervus on his debut but doesn’t everyone.  I’d want to see him through to the end of the season before deciding.

Jones - Keep. For me he’s currently Player of The Season and is the one player who can make an 80 yard pass in to the forwards.

Benning – Has to go, sadly. Think EFL2 is his level.

Robinson - Keep. Huge potential and needs Clarky, et el, to coach him to grow.

Pett - Keep. First name on the team sheet right now; has grown as the season has progressed.

Ojo - Keep. Graer class, good EFL1 player.

Conlon - Keep. He’d get one more season for me, even given the option to move to LB/replace Benning.

Garrity - Keep. Greatly improved.

Holden - Undecided. I’d give him until the end of the season; he’s ripping up trees in training but not getting much game time.

Worrall - Keep. I’d tie him up for 2 years and then get him into the coaching staff.

Massey - Get rid. I just don’t see the player that others see.  And that’s being kind.  Think he’d do OK at EFL2 level, though.

Proctor - Keep. I’d hate – utterly hate to play against him.  Natural striker and must be hated by the opposition defence.

Harrison - Keep. Done enough to earn another year but I don’t think he’s as fantastic as everyone makes out.  Needs to do a LOT more for me..

Wilson - Keep. By a country mile Vale’s best player and such talent.  There’s a reason why he’s been injured so much as other teams kick him up in the air every week.  He’s Vales No9!!

Loanees

Stevens - Not good enough.

Donnelly – If we can keep him I would, again so much potential.

Politic – I’d give him one more year to prove himself.  He’s out of contract so shouldn’t cost us a fee.

Butterworth – I’d keep him another year, think he’d work very well in the hole behind Taylor.

Taylor – Flattered in front of gal so far but his movement is sublime.  Sign him for 2 years and lets see the goals go in. 

Some are saying that not one in the team has developed at all this; I find that astonishing.  Garrety has made great strides, as has Smudger and Jones, Willo is easily comfortable at this level, as is Pett and Forrester.

For me we need a keeper and three or four outfield players, they need to bed in quickly and mesh as a team.  More importantly we then need to play with confidence as you can see, since the back end of last year – when we had zero strike force, we’ve struggled to do that.  Look at the compliments we’ve been paid by Ipswich, Barnsley, Derby, Plymouth, Bolt etc, we’re not far off having a very good team.

So, (baring a major disaster in the next 8 weeks) we’ve stayed up this season.  Job done; mission for this season accomplished.  Next season we need to aim to finish in the top ten and then following season develop further and getting in the play-offs.  If we can build on and off the field as a club and be in the Championship in 3 years’ time we stand less chance of dropping straight back down.  EFL2 steady before Championship Ready.

Just my 2’ worth.

UTV and KTF!

OMG.

A positive post.

Very refreshing.

[WV]

1 hour ago, Brian Johnson said:

So keep basically most the squad that's been pap for most of the year?

Or one that has actually overachieved and has just been a bit poor in a few games recently when we have been missing strikers or defenders ? 

[WV]

33 minutes ago, DazFred said:

I'm sure Brian is Carl off the radio...

Kkkkarl? Who was banned off here? 

[DazFred]

5 minutes ago, WV said:

Kkkkarl? Who was banned off here? 

 

5 minutes ago, WV said:

Kkkkarl? Who was banned off here? 

Not sure. Just know him as Carl Moanalot (we won't catch Sutton)

[Brian Johnson]

9 minutes ago, WV said:

Or one that has actually overachieved and has just been a bit poor in a few games recently when we have been missing strikers or defenders ? 

We would still be playing not too good in my book. We have overachieved which for me means without doubt we need a overhaul of the squad in the summer

[Osh]

1 hour ago, DazFred said:

You mean you wouldn't get rid of all of the squad Osh? Those who have been absolute tripe,yet got us close to the playoffs?

On our day we're as good as anyone. Trouble is we've not been pretty on the eye at home and lost too many points especially from leading positions.

Personally I think we need 2 keepers,a LWB,an ugly old fashioned CB and the whole blooming fitness needs to improve!

I'd release Holden and Massey...they don't do enough for me. I like Politic and would look to sign him...maybe look at Donnelly again. Butters looked promising but hasn't been involved and I wouldn't keep Taylor...too many easy chances missed for me.

I see where you are coming from, Daz, for me we're not as bad as people make out.  Apart from last weekend, I think we've been getting better despite our injury problems.  I also think it would be a massive gamble to get rid of most of the squad in the hope things get better.

Again, just my humble opinion, others have different views which I respect.  Might not agree with but I do respect.

[Osh]

18 minutes ago, SFBT said:

OMG.

A positive post.

Very refreshing.

I know

Down with that sort of thing! How very dare I..

[Brian Johnson]

50 minutes ago, DazFred said:

I'm sure Brian is Carl off the radio...

Why? Because I do not agree with some of your posts? god forbid that I have done that.