Ukip

[geosname]

no I dont

[For Us All]

Remember Sparky?

 

Did he promote Duracell?

[JOHNNYAITCH]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparky_(comics)

[For Us All]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparky_(comics)

 

Joe 90 was my favourite.

[kevin_struggles]

Remember Sparky?

 

I do

[geosname]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparky_(comics)

 

I was on my travels in 1965... way after my comic time

[Santa]

Didn't he have a magic piano that sounded like the vocoder in Mr Blue Sky?

[JOHNNYAITCH]

Not the same Sparky http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparky's_Magic_Piano ;)

[carl]

So, the NHS...

 

This is Paul Nuttall, deputy leader of the UKIPs, speaking before one of the recent by-elections.

 

 

Immigrants who have been here for less than five years would have to pay for a NHS based private' healthcare until they have payed enough into the system and any existing immigrants who have lived in the UK for less than five years should as well- if UKIP become part of government.

 

That will lead to shorter waiting lists cheaper parking charges and frozen prescriptions for British nationals.

 

This is what is stated on UKIP's manifesto and I believe is what Paul Nuttall is referring to. However, please note his comments were in 2011-you need to look at UKIP's local manifesto on their website which is their current position now on the NHS and quite rightly too.

 

With the monies saved this will also contribute towards a better wage and increase in staff for nurses ect to prevent the best medical staff going overseas.

[geosname]

Immigrants who have been here for less than five years would have to pay for a NHS based private' healthcare until they have payed enough into the system and any existing immigrants who have lived in the UK for less than five years should as well- if UKIP become part of government.

 

That will lead to shorter waiting lists cheaper parking charges and frozen prescriptions for British nationals.

 

This is what is stated on UKIP's manifesto and I believe is what Paul Nuttall is referring to. However, please note his comments were in 2011-you need to look at UKIP's local manifesto on their website which is their current position now on the NHS and quite rightly too.

 

With the monies saved this will also contribute towards a better wage and increase in staff for nurses ect to prevent the best medical staff going overseas.

 

but wouldnt that also apply to brits traveling to europe?

you have to accept that what any party states pre election is designed to tempt votes... what they do and how it affects others is not comparable to the promises they make

[JOHNNYAITCH]

Immigrants who have been here for less than five years would have to pay for a NHS based private' healthcare until they have payed enough into the system

 

So the vast number of immigrant nurses that the NHS relies on would not be able to use it for the first 5 years that they are here..not unless they pay or have insurance to cover it? I think the NHS should provide it for them. Huge numbers of higghly skilled workers coming here to pay large amounts of tax and Ni would not be able to use the service but a Brit paying nothing would?

 

and any existing immigrants who have lived in the UK for less than five years should as well- if UKIP become part of government.

 

So if they are already here having been accepted it's Ok to then move the goalposts? Surely there should be a amnesty for those already legitimately here?

 

That will lead to shorter waiting lists cheaper parking charges and frozen prescriptions for British nationals.

 

Indeed it probably would...well all except the prescriptions bit I suspect. Why not make all sorts of people exempt..that would shorten the waiting lists even further if that is the aim.

 

With the monies saved this will also contribute towards a better wage and increase in staff for nurses ect to prevent the best medical staff going overseas.

 

The shortage of nurses (for example) requirng the recruitment of large numbers form overseas is not because the best medical staff are 'going overseas'...the number of nurses hitting retirement age over the past 10 years has been huge, the NHS actively poaches the best nurses from abroad, demand has shot up massively and not enough UK nurses complete their training.

 

 

I agree in principle that immigrants should have to pay in before they get the full range of treatments available but can't agree that we deny treatemnt to hard-working people just cos they happen to have only lived and worked here for 4 years

[JOHNNYAITCH]

"UKIP will ensure the NHS is free at the point of delivery and time of need for all UK residents."

 

"We will ensure that visitors to the UK, and migrants until they have paid NI for five years, have NHS-approved private health insurance as a condition of entry to the UK, saving the NHS £2bn pa"

 

So if you come here and have insurance and become a UK resident and work and pay taxes but thru no fault of your own you can no longer afford that insurance somtime within that 5 year period what happens? Denied NHS treament and deported? As always the devil is in the detail.

[kevin_struggles]

Immigrants who have been here for less than five years would have to pay for a NHS based private' healthcare until they have payed enough into the system and any existing immigrants who have lived in the UK for less than five years should as well- if UKIP become part of government.

 

That will lead to shorter waiting lists cheaper parking charges and frozen prescriptions for British nationals.

 

This is what is stated on UKIP's manifesto and I believe is what Paul Nuttall is referring to. However, please note his comments were in 2011-you need to look at UKIP's local manifesto on their website which is their current position now on the NHS and quite rightly too.

 

With the monies saved this will also contribute towards a better wage and increase in staff for nurses ect to prevent the best medical staff going overseas.

 

Anyone who is serious about coming to this country to work and have a better future than they would in their own country would surely have no problem with serving a qualifying period before claiming benefits and free healthcare because they would be taking the long term view.

 

The ony people who are likely to seriously object to this are those who are only making a beeline for the UK to take advantage of our generous benefits system and free healthcare. Those are the people I personally dont want here so it all seems perfectly reasonable to me.

 

I dont believe in an overly generous unemployment benefit system full stop. I think unemployment benefits should be a safety net to avoid poverty for those with a genuine reason for being unable to support themselves, hopefully as a short-term solution until they are able to help themselves. Not an actual alternative to working which gives a similar lifestyle to people who are working for the minimum wage.

 

I am also of the opinion that the NHS is a huge expensive dinosaur and the only way forward is to privatise the whole lot. The NHS is anything but free. Those in work pay for it through our taxes, national insurance and prescription charges but we are brainwashed into thinking its free. In actual fact its only free for people who dont pay taxes. For the rest of us its extremely expensive for what we get. It fails in the same way that every nationalised company did in the past, huge waste because nobody is under pressure to balance the books and there isnt any commercial pressure because the customers have nowhere else to go unless they are able to pay twice and go private.

pensioners

Free at point of sale to those claiming benefits because its paid for up front by those who work and pensioners who made provision for themselves and receive a decent pension which they are then taxed on. Why is it that those who strive to pay their own way in this country always get the dirty end? Its time that stopped and people were encouraged to take responsibility for themselves unless they have a very good reason for not doing so.

 

So I am probably more extreme than UKIP but they will do for now.

[kevin_struggles]

"UKIP will ensure the NHS is free at the point of delivery and time of need for all UK residents."

 

"We will ensure that visitors to the UK, and migrants until they have paid NI for five years, have NHS-approved private health insurance as a condition of entry to the UK, saving the NHS £2bn pa"

 

So if you come here and have insurance and become a UK resident and work and pay taxes but thru no fault of your own you can no longer afford that insurance somtime within that 5 year period what happens? Denied NHS treament and deported? As always the devil is in the detail.

 

As long as you are aware of that possibility prior to making the choice to move here you can make provision to cover yourself against that eventuality or you can choose to go to a different country if their terms are more attractive to you than ours are

[kevin_struggles]

but wouldnt that also apply to brits traveling to europe?

you have to accept that what any party states pre election is designed to tempt votes... what they do and how it affects others is not comparable to the promises they make

 

Not unless the country they were travelling to had the same system that we had. As far as I know if you move to another country and become unemployed or need healthcare you claim what you can according to their rules not ours so any change we make here wouldnt change anything for people living and working abroad. One of the problems we have is that currently our countries benefits sytem is more attractive than everyone elses. Thats why so many go through other EU countries to come here.