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2 hours ago, Warren said:

I admit I am a Tory Party member. But that aside the daily briefings are highly analytical and specific. There is no vagueness to them at all and they are subjecting themselves to the full scrutiny of the media and some very knowledgeable and capable journalists. The response has been far from incompetent albeit difficult. Even the greatest difficulty, a starting point of no major testing labs in the UK, has been addressed with the best possible response and scaling up is going as fast as it can.

Starmer is a career long human rights lawyer who was given the opportunity to head the CPS and got his knighthood the way of all holders of such high office are unfortunately given this bonus. You think he is minded to take a tough stance against the individual or society on anything?

Starmer needs to be given a chance. Maybe he can produce something even with the millstone of the left wing membership and unions around his neck. I struggle to see how Rayner will work. I respect her background, but in high office you need a first rate mind to cope with the workload and the complex issues. She simply hasn't got it. Starmer may manage a comeback, but at the moment I think the Labour has probably reached a position where it will survive but not be in a position to take office as a majority government ever again. Meanwhile in Scotland it may be that the demise of President Sturgeon is being quietly penned by the acquitted former comrade right now. Her attempt to assassinate him has failed. 

Warren, thank you for the reply. I’m not a member of any party and from being a young socialist, most of my adult life I’ve voted conservative, as I feel I can trust them with the economy. Gove and Hancock don’t inspire me in any way shape or form.

I can’t see that Rayner and Starmer have anything in common and don’t see how they can work together, a strategic plan by the members to appeal to more ppl. My thoughts are that the leader of a party should select their own team, who they want around them and not members of a party. I suppose they’re trying to appeal to more ppl, but will lead to two parties within a party.If Bailey had gotten the leadership then I think that the conservatives would have remained in power for a long time. 
The only person I have confidence in is Sunak, he’s a very wealthy man in his own right, so he understands finance. I hope that he eases austerity and balances the books.

 

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1 hour ago, Playa Amodores said:

Warren, thank you for the reply. I’m not a member of any party and from being a young socialist, most of my adult life I’ve voted conservative, as I feel I can trust them with the economy. Gove and Hancock don’t inspire me in any way shape or form.

I can’t see that Rayner and Starmer have anything in common and don’t see how they can work together, a strategic plan by the members to appeal to more ppl. My thoughts are that the leader of a party should select their own team, who they want around them and not members of a party. I suppose they’re trying to appeal to more ppl, but will lead to two parties within a party.If Bailey had gotten the leadership then I think that the conservatives would have remained in power for a long time. 
The only person I have confidence in is Sunak, he’s a very wealthy man in his own right, so he understands finance. I hope that he eases austerity and balances the books.

 

Yes I think we lucked out with Sunak. First class mind, / education,  substantial financial / economic experience and own wealth understanding the nature of that etc. I had my first test this morning. Actually listen to Starmer or not as I just defaulted to switching off Labour led by Corbyn as a hopeless job. But in the end I did the same, I just don't have the time and patience. 

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3 hours ago, Jacko51 said:

But Starmer wasn’t privately educated?

Yes, but he went to Oxford uni, that you could class as elite. 

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45 minutes ago, philpvfc said:

Yes, but he went to Oxford uni, that you could class as elite. 

Presumably by merit not by birthright.

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4 hours ago, Jacko51 said:

But Starmer wasn’t privately educated?

I think the reason people say this is that Starmer went to Reigate Grammar School, which then became a fee paying school, while he was there, and he continued to attend.

 

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1 hour ago, Warren said:

Yes I think we lucked out with Sunak. First class mind, / education,  substantial financial / economic experience and own wealth understanding the nature of that etc. I had my first test this morning. Actually listen to Starmer or not as I just defaulted to switching off Labour led by Corbyn as a hopeless job. But in the end I did the same, I just don't have the time and patience. 

I totally understand your actions, but I’m the same with any politician, as I can’t believe a word that comes out of their north and south. Perhaps that’s what getting older does, it makes us a lot wiser and allows us to have our own opinion and can make a constructive argument. Either that or politicians just a bunch of transparent, habitual liars. I’m not a massive fan of Piers Morgan but as he says to them,

’Just answer, the question’

Just heard Diane Abbott is being replaced, I don’t know what’s shes being replaced with, might not even be human.

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1 hour ago, philpvfc said:

Yes, but he went to Oxford uni, that you could class as elite. 

He did his degree at Leeds, not Oxford. He did postgraduate work at Oxford. That doesn’t make him elite, just very clever. 

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43 minutes ago, CambridgeDon said:

I think the reason people say this is that Starmer went to Reigate Grammar School, which then became a fee paying school, while he was there, and he continued to attend.

 

He was at that school because he passed the 11+ not because his parents were well off. I went to a grammar school because I passed the 11+ then went to a university pretty much on a par with Leeds. Does that make me elite??!!

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1 hour ago, Jacko51 said:

He was at that school because he passed the 11+ not because his parents were well off. I went to a grammar school because I passed the 11+ then went to a university pretty much on a par with Leeds. Does that make me elite??!!

Crikey, I didn't make any comments about the rights and wrongs of this - just trying to answer your earlier question by stating the facts.

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9 minutes ago, CambridgeDon said:

Crikey, I didn't make any comments about the rights and wrongs of this - just trying to answer your earlier question by stating the facts.

It was directed at others rather than you CD. Sorry. 

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Starmer's new cabinet.

Angela Rayner - Deputy Leader

Anneliese Dodds - Shadow Chancellor 

Nick Thomas-Symonds -Shadow Home Secretary.

Rachel Reeves - Shadow Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster.

Lisa Nandy - Shadow Foreign Secretary

Jonathan Ashworth - Shadow Health Secretary.

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Rachel Reeves was one of the speakers at the Stoke Literary Festival last summer.  She was very good.  I bought and read her book about women in Westminster.  I had an email exchange with her afterwards - she seems a very down to earth character.

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12 hours ago, Jacko51 said:

Rachel Reeves was one of the speakers at the Stoke Literary Festival last summer.  She was very good.  I bought and read her book about women in Westminster.  I had an email exchange with her afterwards - she seems a very down to earth character.

I don't know loads about her but the 2 things I do know - She was very aware of the lack of clarity surrounding Labour's brexit position, and she was very aware of the anti-semitism issue under Corbyn.

 

I can't speak of her ability without being more informed, but it is positive that she appears to understand the issues that labour face(d) without burying her head in the sand.

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At least with his latest front-bench appointments, some common sense is returning to the Labour party under Starmer's leadership.  The country has been crying out for some sensible and more credible oppostion--it is especially needed under this current emergency and into the near-future and the continuing Brexit negotiations. I am personally delighted that all the early signs point to a vanquishing of the Corbinista's failed far-left nonsense--about time too! Thankfully, not only has Kier Starmer won an overwhelming personal victory, but it would appear that the balance of labour's NEC has become much more centrist and the majority of left-wing 'loons' have been jettisoned.  Although as many know, I'm hardly the greatest Labour supporter, but I have always maintained that the country needs a CREDIBLE opposition--something that was very sadly missing during the last 5 years of Corbynism.  For all our skaes, let's hope that Starmer can build that credibility in opposition.

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1 hour ago, Regal Beagle said:

 she was very aware of the anti-semitism issue under Corbyn.

She also praised and gave her support to notorious anti semite Nancy Astor 

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5 minutes ago, ginge said:

She also praised and gave her support to notorious anti semite Nancy Astor 

She was good mates with Ruth Smeeth who was chatting with her at the Literary Festival.  They told some eye watering stories of the sort of stuff that had gone on.

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14 hours ago, For Us All said:

Starmer's new cabinet.

Angela Rayner - Deputy Leader

Anneliese Dodds - Shadow Chancellor 

Nick Thomas-Symonds -Shadow Home Secretary.

Rachel Reeves - Shadow Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster.

Lisa Nandy - Shadow Foreign Secretary

Jonathan Ashworth - Shadow Health Secretary.

Looking alright so far. 

Would like to see Clive Lewis, David Lammy and Rosena Allin-Khan added.

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Don't give David Lammy any sort of higher responsibility than he already has if you want to even pretend like you can win the next election.

 

The man is an absolute lunatic.

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16 hours ago, Jacko51 said:

It was directed at others rather than you CD. Sorry. 

If referring to myself, I was only trying to give reason to comments made by others. As mentioned before, I don’t care what background someone has.

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1 hour ago, Regal Beagle said:

Don't give David Lammy any sort of higher responsibility than he already has if you want to even pretend like you can win the next election.

 

The man is an absolute lunatic.

Ten more years!!Ten more years!!

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