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General Erection - 12th December 2019

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Chuka resigned from the race before Corbyn even put his name forward if I remember right (which I may well not be!), 

Which labour mp does represent what you have said? Starmer, the fancy remainer? Jessica Philips, the mouthy old boiler? I read people saying that labour would have romped home with starmer in charge but I can see them losing the working class northern vote even more with him in charge. I think labour had some very good policies but I don't know if the messenger was the right person, sadly for Corbyn who I think seems to be a good man, even though I don't really like him. I didn't like his tone and I felt he tried too hard to be cool but I think he was the only leader who genuinely cared about poor people. if he had been shown that picture of a little boy asleep on a floor in a hospital, I think he would have at least looked at it and been sad and wanted to help him. Boris Johnson didn't give a care in the world.

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3 minutes ago, Regal Beagle said:

The tories have not moved right though. 

 

That's the truth that leftists simply do not have the capacity to accept. This was a choice between a centre right and a further left party. The result speaks for itself. 

 

I think they have gone further to the right with their views on immigration and Brexit and benefits and things mate. Tommy Robinson promoted them and you don't get a man like that praising you unless you are seriously unpleasant. The result for me says that many places do not feel listened to about Brexit in particular. It also tells me that lying works and that many people in this country do not care for there brothers and sisters who are in need. I don't think that anyone who really cares about homeless people or the environamnt or people who can't afford to live would vote for this conservative party and that makes me very worried for our future.

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What about an Angela Ryaner type?

 

I think they have to go female this time. They're the least inclusive political party in that respect. I'd like to see them go with someone outside of London too. Someone who ACUTALLY represents the working class, not someone who is wealthy and knows they have to bleat on about poor people to get the power that they crave.

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I think Angela Rayner did very well on the television debates that I saw although I do not know what her politics are. That could be a very good call my friend. I think if Labour can get rid of the anti-jewish people thing and throw out Corbyn's baggage and stream line our manifesto, we could do well. Although we have a very long 5 years to wait now sadly.

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35 minutes ago, philpvfc said:

I liked Chuka Umunna bar the fact he is a firm remainer. He looked a good contender for the party leadership until the revolt fell through. Corbyn was voted in by the hardline Labour supporters who unfortunately don’t represent the vast majority of Labour supporters or fringe voters.

We have to get rid of this Remainer/Leaver nonsense, some of my best friends are leavers I am a remain supporter, so what difference does it make. I would like the best person available to lead Labour, regardless of his opinions on the EU.

lets hope this is the last election that is overshadowed by Brexit.

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6 minutes ago, bobvale said:

I think Angela Rayner did very well on the television debates that I saw although I do not know what her politics are. That could be a very good call my friend. I think if Labour can get rid of the anti-jewish people thing and throw out Corbyn's baggage and stream line our manifesto, we could do well. Although we have a very long 5 years to wait now sadly.

Don't think it is as simple as that. Corbyn has now got nearly all the Party workings in the hands of Momentum and his fellow Left wingers. I have always said that the biggest problem with Labour is it's members, and this election has proved it the Labour membership is definitely not on the same page as the electorate.

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I think at this point the next election is for Boris to lose..... if and it's a massive if..... he starts turning the problems around and starts dealing with instead of avoiding the issues he will be hard to shift..... he has the opportunity to take the wind out of Labour's sails for quite some time.

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14 minutes ago, bobvale said:

I think Angela Rayner did very well on the television debates that I saw although I do not know what her politics are. That could be a very good call my friend. I think if Labour can get rid of the anti-jewish people thing and throw out Corbyn's baggage and stream line our manifesto, we could do well. Although we have a very long 5 years to wait now sadly.

To get rid of anti-semitism they have to sack Corbyn from the party.

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10 minutes ago, tommytunstall said:

We have to get rid of this Remainer/Leaver nonsense, some of my best friends are leavers I am a remain supporter, so what difference does it make. I would like the best person available to lead Labour, regardless of his opinions on the EU.

lets hope this is the last election that is overshadowed by Brexit.

Conservatives won the election so substantially because they had a leaver at the top. I do agree, it shouldn’t be considered but Labour cannot keep fighting Brexit, they will just alienate a lot of the supporters who failed to vote for them this election.

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no-one has yet answered, if the country is crying out for a centre ground labour party, why did every single middle ground politician lose their seat last night? Everyone who joined Change UK and all those that joined the liberals (and even the liberals leader) lost their seats. I must admit, having lived through the awful miners strike and remembering how the unions and the left helped out those mining villages suffering due to the tories, how sickening it is to see places like durham turn blue. I'm also sad to see Dennis Skinner lose his seat, he seemed like a passionate and principled working-class man, full of character and politics will be poorer without him. I have heard that he is quite poorly anyway so maybe the rest will suit him (I know the feeling!!) but it is so true about political careers ending in failure.

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Rayner has the same left wing views as Corbyn, so why when something has sensationally crashed and burnt would you replace with like for like.

So much for the Tory government declaring themselves the peoples party and vowing to make changes. I see the temporary traffic lights are still on Moorland Road.

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1 hour ago, Regal Beagle said:

What about an Angela Ryaner type?

 

I think they have to go female this time. They're the least inclusive political party in that respect. I'd like to see them go with someone outside of London too. Someone who ACUTALLY represents the working class, not someone who is wealthy and knows they have to bleat on about poor people to get the power that they crave.

I like the typo Ryaner, perhaps that’s hers and the Labour Party’s problem, they’ve spent all their time with their head in the clouds.

Very good.

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12 minutes ago, Playa Amodores said:

Rayner has the same left wing views as Corbyn, so why when something has sensationally crashed and burnt would you replace with like for like.

 

So who would you suggest? Many of Labours policies were generally popular (although I think there was probably too much of them) and they got as many votes as under tony blair back in 2005. I think it is wrong to throw away the baby with the bath water and lurch towards the middle. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that labour would have done better there. it has become some kind of rescieved wisdom (although not very wise!) to say that. People complaining about labour losing their touch with the working class and also wanting a blair style leader seem to be contradiciting myself in my eyes at least. The result is done, fair and square, and it's silly to offer ifs and buts and things. But I wonder what would have happened if Brexit had been done before the election.

 

I also think that the campaign it self is very worrying, especialy from the right wing. I think the bbc has shown itself to be unfit. most of all I think that the type of campaign we have seen is very worrying in that there have been lies and slurs pushed so much by the conservatives. I'm not talking about the fibs about policies that all partys do, but the things like editing videos, fake tweeting accounts and spreading rumours that that little boy lying asleep on the hospital floor was made up. Oh and that the labour people punched the tory outside that hospital too. I think this is very bad but can not imagine it ever stopping now. I think we need laws to keep election campaigns as honest as possible but I do not believe this will happen when the main people doing it are now in charge for 5 years. Why would they want more honesty and less lies when it has done so well for them?

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