David Flitcroft Out

[osprey]

I do wonder if Darren Moore actually said much in his interview with DF. Doubt he could get a word in 😄

[Walka003]

Yep listened just now. As a vocal critic of DF I am sorry to hear he has had abuse - no place for personal abuse - it's just a job.
Singing for him to get out of the club is a different thing - fans are entitled to their opinion.

Overall my feeling hasn't changed;
- Timing of the interview is interesting. Would we have got this podcast if we had hired a manager that the fans weren't happy about?
- We could have gambled on a PL2 player who DF thought might not be good enough - they would be better than a Dipepa surely?!?
- No mention of the left back
- All our striker options we blame the other club or the player - there is no acceptance that we are perhaps fishing in the wrong pool
- Long-term plans are great but short term we need to address the mistakes that have been made
- If we can afford Darren Moore now - who could we have got last summer when the club needed a reset?
- If we had let Crosby go after the Cheltenham game when it was painfully obvious he wasn't up to the job we would have had an opportunity to get more points on the board and the new manager's influence in the squad. The same pool of players available yes, but managers have a pull and also their own feelings of the kind of players we are missing.

I think he has done so good things and some bad things. Hiring a bad manager last summer and the overall transfer windows since being promoted to league one are enough for me to think someone else could do a better job in that position. 

I thought it was really telling that he said two things :

1) our priority is staying in the league
2) we will be able to attract better players with DM in charge.

5ish weeks ago at the fans forum, he wasn't even considering the idea of relegation and he was all over Crosby like a rash. The bloke can make his mouth say anything to fit what's going on at the time.

[NW9Valiant]

8 minutes ago, Walka003 said:

The bloke can make his mouth say anything to fit what's going on at the time.

It's just public relations speak. 

They key bits are what he's not saying, as well as the results. A lot of talk about effort and things not panning out. Fair enough. Nothing about budgets, what the thinking was with Crosby's appointment, whether there is any reflection on what they might have done differently in some circumstances. Nothing about whether the tactical and philosophical approach is the right fit for the club in its current circumstances. 

All dealing with facts as he sees it at the time. Which makes it easy to paint a particular picture. 

Definitely some correct things said, like DM being a pull factor for players coming to the club. But if that is being recognised now, why did we go with Crosby a year ago? 

This is why I think a review in the summer is needed. Maybe it means DF goes, maybe it means additional support is brought in. What's key is that it's done with DM being completely on board. He is a someone with a record we can believe in. DF, with all due respect, less so having had a bit more of a checkered history and not as high profile in the game. 

All worthwhile looking at and considering whether DF is doing the best job he can do and indeed, the right job. He might be a better fit for more behind the scenes management than Director of Football duties. 

[Brian Johnson]

1 minute ago, NW9Valiant said:

It's just public relations speak. 

They key bits are what he's not saying, as well as the results. A lot of talk about effort and things not panning out. Fair enough. Nothing about budgets, what the thinking was with Crosby's appointment, whether there is any reflection on what they might have done differently in some circumstances. Nothing about whether the tactical and philosophical approach is the right fit for the club in its current circumstances. 

All dealing with facts as he sees it at the time. Which makes it easy to paint a particular picture. 

Definitely some correct things said, like DM being a pull factor for players coming to the club. But if that is being recognised now, why did we go with Crosby a year ago? 

This is why I think a review in the summer is needed. Maybe it means DF goes, maybe it means additional support is brought in. What's key is that it's done with DM being completely on board. He is a someone with a record we can believe in. DF, with all due respect, less so having had a bit more of a checkered history and not as high profile in the game. 

All worthwhile looking at and considering whether DF is doing the best job he can do and indeed, the right job. He might be a better fit for more behind the scenes management than Director of Football duties. 

Best post of the day

[Vtid]

4 hours ago, ginginator said:

To be fair to Flitcroft, he is not on the pitch. So some blame has to go on the players. 

Confidence is a massive thing and hopefully DM will boost that.

Re DF again yeah we did need that forward/poacher player, maybe we pick one up in the summer, too late? who knows, but bickering and negativity. Well there is only one way and it is not forward.

So Carol and Kevin do the finances, DF does whatever, hopefully Darren and the players do what any football fan wants and play for the club professionally.

 

 

Good point mate! Time they rolled their sleeves up. Too many bystanders recently who don’t look interested 

[The French Connection]

All worthwhile looking at and considering whether DF is doing the best job he can do and indeed, the right job. He might be a better fit for more behind the scenes management than Director of Football duties. 

Maybe Flickers could then go back to part time? Problem is, 3 might be a crowd in terms of his dealings with Carol, who obviously holds him in high regard.

[Playa Amodores]

FC I think three might have been a crowd but now that DM has come in and can manage and knows what the game is all about at higher levels than ourselves, it most definitely is a crowd. Also all the power was the owners and him, I think the power has now transferred to the owner and DM. Who would it be cheaper to get rid of, DoF or manager on a 5.5 yr contract with clauses and his back room team.?

[Fosse69]

FC I think three might have been a crowd but now that DM has come in and can manage and knows what the game is all about at higher levels than ourselves, it most definitely is a crowd. Also all the power was the owners and him, I think the power has now transferred to the owner and DM. Who would it be cheaper to get rid of, DoF or manager on a 5.5 yr contract with clauses and his back room team.?

What is this power that has transferred?

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[JoeB2]

What abuse is he referring to specifically? The criticism of fans? A few very placid chants?

Edited February 16 by JoeB2

[JoeB2]

I think, if NINE targets fall through, maybe you’re shopping in unrealistic markets.

Edited February 16 by JoeB2

[NW9Valiant]

16 minutes ago, JoeB2 said:

I think, if NINE targets fall through, maybe you’re shopping in unrealistic markets.

That, or DF just isn't the right person to be shopping in that market. 

Makes a world of difference when the person doing the shopping has the right contacts, relationships and profile. 

I'm sure various bits have gone into helping us with targets in the past but we must always be looking at ways to do better.

Would definitely be a different conversation and outcomes otherwise. 

[JoeB2]

7 minutes ago, NW9Valiant said:

That, or DF just isn't the right person to be shopping in that market. 

Makes a world of difference when the person doing the shopping has the right contacts, relationships and profile. 

I'm sure various bits have gone into helping us with targets in the past but we must always be looking at ways to do better.

Would definitely be a different conversation and outcomes otherwise. 

I just don’t think “look at all the targets I missed out on” is the clever defence that DF thinks it is - he’s absolving himself of agency without considering why we keep missing out on so many targets on a consistent basis. 

[Tamworth]

Surely with DM here the dynamic has changed.

Whatever our DOF was doing (or mainly not doing to be more accurate) our new Manager is going to be taking a significant role in recruitment. That has to be a good thing considering recent experience.

I would expect that his recruitment experience and contacts are very much part of the hiring decision.

Hopefully he can do something immediately given where we are...

Edited February 16 by Tamworth

[Playa Amodores]

1 hour ago, Fosse69 said:

What is this power that has transferred?

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Imo obviously the cost to terminate the services of either individuals. Can’t see DM having players that aren’t picked by himself or his backroom team. At the moment DM has come to us following an unsuccessful time at Huddersfield, so he’ll want to be in charge of his own destiny. Where as, AC definitely wasn’t and was always going to be the one to go.

[Guitar Ray]

50 minutes ago, JoeB2 said:

What abuse is he referring to specifically? The criticism of fans? A few very placid chants?

It wasn’t “placid” at Fleetwood.  You obviously weren’t there.