Vale Park Atmosphere

[Valiiant]

 

How about the team giving the fans something to shout about? We play such slow and tepid football most of the time under Crosby, and also give lots of opponents far too much respect before we finally start to try and play our own game. Usually in the second half. Vale Park is also a big stadium compared to many and so the atmosphere is never going to be as good and intense as you might find in other grounds no matter how many people are inside it.

[Playa Amodores]

How about we rebuild the fricking toilets in the RP. The way our club treats our fans is a total disgrace.

[Guitar Ray]

45 minutes ago, Valiiant said:

 

How about the team giving the fans something to shout about? We play such slow and tepid football most of the time under Crosby, and also give lots of opponents far too much respect before we finally start to try and play our own game. Usually in the second half. Vale Park is also a big stadium compared to many and so the atmosphere is never going to be as good and intense as you might find in other grounds no matter how many people are inside it.

The first part is very true, slow, tepid football isn’t going to get the fans on their feet like fast paced, aggressive football.  The second part isn’t strictly true, because in we’ve had some great days/nights with the ground pretty full and even not so full.  It depends on who you’re making the comparison with.

[darren1810]

Be a good atmosphere at Wigan tomorrow. 

Carlisle sold 4000. Incredible support for a team bottom of the league and a night match. 

[Guitar Ray]

3 minutes ago, darren1810 said:

Be a good atmosphere at Wigan tomorrow. 

Carlisle sold 4000. Incredible support for a team bottom of the league and a night match. 

Interesting to note that there’s a lot more love up there for their manager from their fans than we see at our club right now.  The strange world of football.  Funnily enough he’s a guy I wouldn’t have minded at Vale.

[Valiiant]

20 minutes ago, Guitar Ray said:

The first part is very true, slow, tepid football isn’t going to get the fans on their feet like fast paced, aggressive football.  The second part isn’t strictly true, because in we’ve had some great days/nights with the ground pretty full and even not so full.  It depends on who you’re making the comparison with.

 

Well generally, smaller, more compact grounds hold an atmosphere better. But ultimately when the Vale team gives 100% and gets in the faces of opposition, the crowd respond. While admirable, Crosby's football is an absolute chore to watch because we just don't have enough players within the squad that are good enough on the ball to make it work. Not to mention how difficult it is in Winter on a lot of poor pitches to try and play a possession based game. He needs to fined a middle ground between not gifting the ball away but also playing quicker, getting the ball forwards much more quickly than we do.

[darren1810]

8 minutes ago, Guitar Ray said:

Interesting to note that there’s a lot more love up there for their manager from their fans than we see at our club right now.  The strange world of football.  Funnily enough he’s a guy I wouldn’t have minded at Vale.

Probably credit in the bank from promotion. 

Were they to stop up and be in the same position I'd say they'd be less accommodating.

They hated Curle up there. 

[Playa Amodores]

1 minute ago, Valiiant said:

 

Well generally, smaller, more compact grounds hold an atmosphere better. But ultimately when the Vale team gives 100% and gets in the faces of opposition, the crowd respond. While admirable, Crosby's football is an absolute chore to watch because we just don't have enough players within the squad that are good enough on the ball to make it work. Not to mention how difficult it is in Winter on a lot of poor pitches to try and play a possession based game. He needs to fine a middle ground between not gifting the ball away but also playing quicker, getting the ball forwards much more quickly than we do.

I think we are able to get it to the midfield quite quickly but that’s when it grinds to a halt as we have no one running through. The game almost comes to a standstill and the opposition re group behind the ball, so we then play Ripley ball

[Valiiant]

1 minute ago, Playa Amodores said:

I think we are able to get it to the midfield quite quickly but that’s when it grinds to a halt as we have no one running through. The game almost comes to a standstill and the opposition re group behind the ball, so we then play Ripley ball

I've seen us do it, just not anything like often enough. If we could put out our best 11 every single week then sure, I think we would be capable of playing that way to a large extent/ But with injuries and suspensions every club gets throughout a season that's obviously never going to happen. I just hate seeing a side keep the ball for the sake of it at times which we do a lot. Man City also do this and at times it can be quit boring to watch, and that's despite the fact that they do it 100 hundreds time better than ourselves.

[geoff1]

19 minutes ago, Valiiant said:

I've seen us do it, just not anything like often enough. If we could put out our best 11 every single week then sure, I think we would be capable of playing that way to a large extent/ But with injuries and suspensions every club gets throughout a season that's obviously never going to happen. I just hate seeing a side keep the ball for the sake of it at times which we do a lot. Man City also do this and at times it can be quit boring to watch, and that's despite the fact that they do it 100 hundreds time better than ourselves.

you need very good players to play like this!

[Playa Amodores]

20 minutes ago, Valiiant said:

I've seen us do it, just not anything like often enough. If we could put out our best 11 every single week then sure, I think we would be capable of playing that way to a large extent/ But with injuries and suspensions every club gets throughout a season that's obviously never going to happen. I just hate seeing a side keep the ball for the sake of it at times which we do a lot. Man City also do this and at times it can be quit boring to watch, and that's despite the fact that they do it 100 hundreds time better than ourselves.

Yes, they do but with MCFC they have the quality and class to create an opening and remain going forward. I’m not sure that he knows his best 11 and if he does why keep playing the same style of football when it isn’t working. Just a one trick pony. 

[Family Stand Terrier]

Like I said from the outset, the performance on the pitch does influence atmosphere, no doubt about that, but Vale Park has had a poor atmosphere for years even during the promotion season it was far from great.

So if the answer to the question about how we improve the atmosphere is a simple, if the players perform well we'll sing and get behind them, it confirms everything I thought about what our fan base has become. Our support is conditional. In the main we don't believe we as fans can play a part in improving a poor performance. We are by no means the 12th man, and we have no intentions of ever being so.

No ideas about where to congregate? Could the Hamil singers/standers congregate closer to the Railway? Could those that want the banter with the away fans move closer to the Bycars?

Just suggestions, or do we just continue as we are and put the onus on the players?

[Playa Amodores]

2 hours ago, Valiiant said:

I've seen us do it, just not anything like often enough. If we could put out our best 11 every single week then sure, I think we would be capable of playing that way to a large extent/ But with injuries and suspensions every club gets throughout a season that's obviously never going to happen. I just hate seeing a side keep the ball for the sake of it at times which we do a lot. Man City also do this and at times it can be quit boring to watch, and that's despite the fact that they do it 100 hundreds time better than ourselves.

We need an Ian Taylor type of player.

[JoeB2]

There's probably 3 clubs who make/force an atmosphere when their team is playing poorly.

Palace is one, with their Ultras section heavily modelled off German clubs.

I guess you could say Leeds? Struggling to name a third. 

Stoke, long heralded for their intimidating atmosphere, now really struggle. Do you reckon it's because they don't win many games?

Go to a Liverpool game, and they belt out YNWA then sit silently, even if they're winning.

This idea we're a unique club because we have a poor atmosphere, when our stadium is 75% empty and we've won 10 games this calendar year, is missing the wider point. There seems to be the parroting that it was poor in 21/22, which I don't agree with. One of those things that, if folk say enough, becomes accepted belief.

If you want a consistent noise, you create an Ultras section with pyros, drums, and flags, with choreographed chants and a little fella with a megaphone. It isn't for me. It's consistent background noise as opposed to atmosphere.

[smithie]

When Stoke opened the new ground they had 23,000 in attendance for the first game. The next home game attracted 17,000 and the next 11,000 which was their average at the time. 

In the year they were promoted to the Premier League they didn't fill the place until the very last home game of the season.

I adore seeing swathes of empty seats there and give it a couple of weeks before they want Schumacher out.