Black Lives Matter

[Regal Beagle]

1 hour ago, WV said:

The Daily Mail report that some people have not worn a badge and you use that as an argument that footballers have had enough of BLM? Daily mail for christs sake. 

 

It's adding to the list of people in football who have backslid on the endorsement of the organisation - BLM, yes.

What's the daily mail got to do with anything? You know you are struggling to argue a point when your one option is to hammer the daily mail. I'm not even an avid reader. I've probably posted more Guardian links in the past few weeks than Daily Mail.

46 minutes ago, WV said:

The other issue RB is that you have found something to latch onto now other than original reason for black lives matter which you were against from the start (before talk of defunding the police/Israel etc) wonder why that was? Now for you it's all about these other points raised more recently than your objections. You are transparent. As for the far right comment its pretty obvious to most. Nationalism disguised as patriotism, tick. Obsession with crimes committed by other nationalities or religions, tick. Labelling everything you dont agree with as far left, tick. The list goes on. 

I was against BLM the organisation from the start because I knew what they were.

I didn't post it initially because i thought it would be too inflammatory. All of my posts in this thread have been very supportive of black people and very anti-racism. The first post I made specificially about black lives matter was the day of (or day after) the premier league announcement that they were displaying the name on the shirts.

I don't have an issue with BLM's right to exist as an organisation. I do have an issue with the premier league endorsing an extremist political group.

 

You are woefully incorrect if you think that I've 'latched on' to something to conveniently attack BLM.

 

As for your "wonder why that was" jibe - why don't you post what you are accusing me of so we can all be clear?

 

Crazy how you can call me transparent yet you haven't got one thing right about me in your post.

 

 

Nationalism disguised as patriotism? What does that even mean and how does it apply to me?

Obsessed with crimes committed by other nationalities/ethnicities? Am I? Have you plucked that out of thin air?

Labelling everything I disagree with as far left? Simply not true, I label EXTREME far left ideologies as far left. I disagree with Starmer quite often but I don't think I've ever called him far left. Black Lives Matter are objectively further left than Corbyn. They want to dismantle capitalism and the nuclear family, do you not see how that is extreme? Whether you agree with it or not, you should be able to see that these are extreme policy ideas?

 

Not sure that counts as an answer to my question of why I'm 'far right'. I'm simply not. I think you are using it as a way to try and insult me and/or void my argument.

 

 

[TheSage]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53184615

Interesting. A campaign by Argyle fans for a statue of an ex player. A black footballer from the twenties. The article is a good read.

[philpvfc]

5 hours ago, TheSage said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53184615

Interesting. A campaign by Argyle fans for a statue of an ex player. A black footballer from the twenties. The article is a good read.

Would be good to recognise him and what he had to put up with. Good not to forget about the past and erode anything that reminds us.

[Regal Beagle]

The list of far right odd balls is growing:

 

Several sky sports pundits

Sky Sports

Hertfordshire Police

The BBC

The Premier League

Tottenham Hotspur

Northumberland County Council

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/01/exclusive-bbc-bans-black-lives-matters-badges-air/

[For Us All]

On 01/07/2020 at 23:15, Regal Beagle said:

The list of far right odd balls is growing:

 

Several sky sports pundits

Sky Sports

Hertfordshire Police

The BBC

The Premier League

Tottenham Hotspur

Northumberland County Council

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/01/exclusive-bbc-bans-black-lives-matters-badges-air/

They are backtracking now having read the aims of the organisation.They should have done their homework before committing support and made it clear they were only supporting the cause.

[Fosse69]

34 minutes ago, For Us All said:

They are backtracking now having read the aims of the organisation.They should have done their homework before committing support and made it clear they were only supporting the cause.

Murdock has had a word.

[For Us All]

28 minutes ago, Fosse69 said:

Murdock has had a word.

Good,he just needs to have a word with all those on Sky News now.

[Fosse69]

9 minutes ago, For Us All said:

Good,he just needs to have a word with all those on Sky News now.

Anything to stop the message getting through.

[Regal Beagle]

Early days but movements like this look very promising:

https://twitter.com/DontDivideUsNow

 

Can anyone honestly say that race relations are better today than they were before George Floyd was murdered a few weeks ago? What have these protests and assault on our culture achieved other than to open up divisions.

Maybe there's an argument that they've allowed for discourse but that seems like a byproduct rather than main goal of BLM/Antifa. Vigilante mobs, targetting Churchill's statue, rioting, fueling far right counter protests, cancelling historical shows, attacking police officers during a time period where one was stabbed by a murderous knifeman and another apparently rugby tackled a terrorist who had already killed 3 people.

 

I don't doubt the sincerity and the honest intent of the vast majority of protesters, and the vast majority of people who have used the black lives matter slogan. But they've been taken in by clever marketing. It's propaganda produced by nefarious extremists. It detracts from race relations rather than enhances them.

 

 

Quote

 

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/racial-division-is-being-sown-in-the-name-of-anti-racism-it-s-time-to-speak-out

Dear fellow citizens,

In the wake of the horrifying and brutal killing of George Floyd, many in the UK expressed heartfelt solidarity; widespread protests showed a genuine commitment to opposing racism. Since then, however, activists, corporations and institutions seem to have seized the opportunity to exploit Floyd’s death to promote an ideological agenda that threatens to undermine British race relations.

The power of this ideology lies in the fear it inspires in those who would otherwise speak out, whatever their ethnicity. But speak out we must. We must oppose and expose the racial division being sown in the name of anti-racism.

The consequences of this toxic, racialised agenda are counter-productive and serious. We are all being divided by tactics and narratives many of us know to be untrue:

 

• By splitting society into black lives or white lives, racial identity is being used to define who we all are and how we should fight injustice, as opposed to building a united movement to improve life for everyone.

 

 

• Those who favour the identity-based politics of grievance and academic critical race theory are redefining racism. The achievements of civil rights movements in the past – that effected positive material impacts on the lives of ethnic minorities and increased equal treatment – are now being denied and undermined by those who claim racism is on the rise.

 

 

• Demands that millions of people accept uncritically a prescriptive ‘white privilege’ agenda or be dubbed ignorant, racist or in denial is creating new tensions.

 

 

• Under soulless acronyms such as BAME and POC, all ethnic minorities are robbed of individual agency, and assumed to be victims of injustice.

 

 

• Free speech is being eroded by a McCarthyite culture of conformity in which to question the new dogma means to risk one’s livelihood and reputation.

 

 

• Calls for the wholesale destruction of historical statues, symbols and works of art are fuelling an unhealthy war against the past and stirring up culture wars in the present.

 

 

• An obsessive focus on the impact of colonialism threatens to turn history into a morality tale, rather than a complex, three-dimensional understanding of the past.
• The common conflation of the issue of race in the US with the UK (in relation to criminal justice, for example) is unhelpful as it makes it difficult to discuss our specific historical circumstances and the contemporary challenges we face.

   

 

 

We are committed to supporting open-minded, fact-based investigation into the roots of our many social problems but reject simplistic explanations that reduce all injustice to racial factors.

We are dismayed at the moral cowardice of political and cultural institutions that refuse to speak out in defence of tolerant citizens who are being targeted as though their skin colour is synonymous with ‘unconscious’ bigotry.

We oppose the notion of collective guilt, and support the goals of those who have struggled to ensure that individuals are judged by the content of the character and not the colour of their skin.

We reject the proposition that the UK is inherently racist in 2020, with racial prejudice embedded into our educational, cultural and legal institutions. We salute the struggles of earlier generations of civil rights activists and the progress they made in defeating racist discrimination and attitudes.

We want a genuine movement to fight for equality of treatment. Where racism exists, it should be unapologetically challenged. We oppose those ideologues who seek to irrevocably damage our society by hijacking this important cause. We also oppose the opportunistic far right groups who are already exploiting this new climate of fear and disunity.

We will not be divided – by reactionary racists or culture warriors – who refuse to see us as individuals beyond our skin colour.

 

 

[Fosse69]

Sacking Starkey  is progress.

[TheSage]

Delighted to see Starkey sacked as well as the England cricket team endorsing the indisputable fact that black lives matter.

 

 

[Regal Beagle]

22 minutes ago, TheSage said:

Delighted to see Starkey sacked as well as the England cricket team endorsing the indisputable fact that black lives matter.

Agreed that this is an indisputable fact Sage, not sure there's anyone but a miniscule amount of racists who disagree.

 

But do they endorse the ending of capitalism, the dismantling of the nuclear family and the abolishment of the police?

[Regal Beagle]

1 hour ago, Fosse69 said:

Sacking Starkey  is progress.

What he said was insane. I saw the transcript and thought that it had to have been a horrendous attempt at a joke, when i saw the clip I was gob smacked that he was genuinely offering that opinion.

 

I'd recently seen an interesting interview with him too talking about woke culture, although I was unaware that he apparently has said racist stuff previously.

 

 

[For Us All]

On 29/06/2020 at 20:35, Regal Beagle said:

"Abolish the police" 

Wow bit strong, wont that actually be terrible for everyone?

"Well we don't mean abolish, we mean defund" 

Wow, how will that look? Haven't you been screaming about funding cuts to the police for years?

"Well, we don't mean defund the police, we mean systematically fund programs which reduce the need for the police"

 

Well don't say abolish or defund the police then.

 

 

Operation Venetic and 746 arrests might not have happened this week if we had abolished or defunded the police?

[For Us All]

On 01/07/2020 at 23:15, Regal Beagle said:

The list of far right odd balls is growing:

 

Several sky sports pundits

Sky Sports

Hertfordshire Police

The BBC

The Premier League

Tottenham Hotspur

Northumberland County Council

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/01/exclusive-bbc-bans-black-lives-matters-badges-air/

 Add Crystal Palace to that list.