Season ticket renewals

[Rampant Zebra]

1 minute ago, NorthwoodValiant said:

Comprehensively disagree.

Even of we go down, we can spend less off the pitch, have a better budget, and then when we come back up we'll be in a much stronger position.

The off field stuff HAD to happen at some point, once it's done it's done

I think part of the issue of the off field spending for me is that it doesn't seem to have been done very well for the amount it cost.

[Doha]

21 minutes ago, NorthwoodValiant said:

But then there's no guarantee that the replacement would be any better.

The current incumbent has us as the 142nd lowest goal scorers in the 144 team EFL+conference. Probably 144th next week. "There's no guarantee a replacement would be any better" is utterly meaningless, you could say that about anything.

21 minutes ago, NorthwoodValiant said:

What you gonna do? Change the DoF every year?

Why would I do that? Who's mentioned that? No one other than you, writing fantasies.

21 minutes ago, NorthwoodValiant said:

Blame someone else then?

Would we need new owners then?

All conjectured fantasy.

142/144 goals scored is reality. Vale in the drop zone is reality. Burton brining in 4 forwards in January including a lad from Man Utd is reality. Vale bringing in absolutely no one and now suffering for it is reality.

 

[Old fort]

6 minutes ago, NorthwoodValiant said:

No people aren't renewing because we aren't winning, and by not winning we are in the relegation zone.

 

Noone would give a <ovf censored> about Flitcroft if we were in 14th place

I've always renewed,  irrespective of what league we're in, so relegation has little to do with it. For me it's not about not backing or supporting the Vale, but more a case of handing over a large amount of money in financially tough times, to be wasted in such a way that has resulted in creating a weaker squad for two consecutive years, while seeing no rational explanation for it, or any action of accountability.  While 14th place wouldn't be settling the world alight,  most would see it as steady progress,  coupled with a degree of stability, however the DoF has fallen short yet again and his decisions and performance is the sole reason for our situation. So I agree, not many people would give a stuff about Flitcroft if we were 14th, because most would recognise that as being not great,  but acceptable 

Still, I guess the phrase is "We go again" eh!? Even though its with blinkered optimism. 

One final point, is that not a single one of us take any satisfaction in feeling the need to express anything negative about our club,  because we all love the Vale 

[Doha]

18 minutes ago, NorthwoodValiant said:

I am absolutely happy we've invested so much off the pitch because that investment is guaranteed and lasts for years.

What does that actually mean?

What is the tangible benefit to PVFC that money that could and should have gone towards staying in L1 is instead earmarked for a second set of changing rooms (vanity project) and a new office on the training pitch (vanity project)

The club is running before it can walk. Fiddling while Rome burns. Cart before the horse. Any related idiom you can think of is demonstrably, evidentially true of the club's actions this season.

[NorthwoodValiant]

6 minutes ago, Doha said:

What does that actually mean?

What is the tangible benefit to PVFC that money that could and should have gone towards staying in L1 is instead earmarked for a second set of changing rooms (vanity project) and a new office on the training pitch (vanity project)

The club is running before it can walk. Fiddling while Rome burns. Cart before the horse. Any related idiom you can think of is demonstrably, evidentially true of the club's actions this season.

Then that's fine then.

 

Rome fell in the end so Vale will as well.

 

It'll be sad but we'll all get over it.

 

Nobody has any divine right to be able to support a league 1 football club after all

[NorthwoodValiant]

12 minutes ago, Old fort said:

I've always renewed,  irrespective of what league we're in, so relegation has little to do with it. For me it's not about not backing or supporting the Vale, but more a case of handing over a large amount of money in financially tough times, to be wasted in such a way that has resulted in creating a weaker squad for two consecutive years, while seeing no rational explanation for it, or any action of accountability.  While 14th place wouldn't be settling the world alight,  most would see it as steady progress,  coupled with a degree of stability, however the DoF has fallen short yet again and his decisions and performance is the sole reason for our situation. So I agree, not many people would give a stuff about Flitcroft if we were 14th, because most would recognise that as being not great,  but acceptable 

Still, I guess the phrase is "We go again" eh!? Even though its with blinkered optimism. 

One final point, is that not a single one of us take any satisfaction in feeling the need to express anything negative about our club,  because we all love the Vale 

I'll be honest if you pulled up the squad from two years ago and now I don't think you would actually swap many of the players from then to now 

Proctor for Loft?

Worrall for Sang?

Anyone else?

[MBE]

48 minutes ago, NorthwoodValiant said:

No people aren't renewing because we aren't winning, and by not winning we are in the relegation zone.

 

Noone would give a <ovf censored> about Flitcroft if we were in 14th place

If we were 14th Flitcroft would have done his  job properly recruiting a capable squad. 

[NorthwoodValiant]

5 minutes ago, MBE said:

If we were 14th Flitcroft would have done his  job properly recruiting a capable squad. 

Which would have nothing to do with 'behind the scenes'

 

Obviously people don't go to watch losing football teams.

 

But I fail to see what's going on 'behind the scenes' that's so concerning.

 

Flitcroft not being very good isn't behind the scenes

[Doha]

16 minutes ago, NorthwoodValiant said:

Then that's fine then.

 

Rome fell in the end so Vale will as well.

 

It'll be sad but we'll all get over it.

 

Nobody has any divine right to be able to support a league 1 football club after all

Again, irrelevent conjecture that acknowledges none of the facts about DFs and the club's performance.

[Aguar61]

1 hour ago, Doha said:

This is such a lazy trope.

David Flitcroft is not the only person in the universe capable of being PVFC's DOF despite the apparent infatuation with him.

Given he'd never done it before, literally anybody with previous EFL managerial experience is as qualified as he was when she hired him.

Do we even need a DoF? Don't forget,no one ever talked about needing one... other than flitcroft when he CONvinced Carol that we needed one.

[NorthwoodValiant]

1 minute ago, Aguar61 said:

Do we even need a DoF? Don't forget,no one ever talked about needing one... other than flitcroft when he CONvinced Carol that we needed one.

Everybody has one so yes. It's not 1989 anymore

[Aguar61]

Just now, NorthwoodValiant said:

Everybody has one so yes. It's not 1989 anymore

Mores the pity....

[NorthwoodValiant]

7 minutes ago, Doha said:

Again, irrelevent conjecture that acknowledges none of the facts about DFs and the club's performance.

What do you want me to acknowledge?

 

That we are 22nd?

 

Bit obvious that is isn't it.

 

What sort of performance does a fanbase that boos it's own players before they've even kicked a ball actually deserve?

 

Vale fans tend to be the 12th man. Usually for the other team 

[Vtid]

44 minutes ago, NorthwoodValiant said:

It's why I don't bother to be honest.

 

I'll be signing out for another 6 months very soon 

👋🏻 

[NorthwoodValiant]

1 minute ago, Aguar61 said:

Mores the pity....

Progress is always resisted at every stage