Crosby is Out NOW !!!

[JohnDoe]

59 minutes ago, worldsendvalefan said:

Even if you stick to managers playing the same system, it doesn't mean you won't get bad managers picking bad players.
So if the 6 managers Stoke had got through, could all have been playing the same formations, made no difference just didn't work out for them.
Yes it is only one win. Doesn't mean a lot. Just shows you can change systems and the world doesn't fall apart. Yes Stoke's manager will probably have a squad overhaul to suit his style. That's just common sense.
If a club is playing a style of football which is obviously failing. It makes sense to try something different.
To impose just one style throughout a club. Including academy players makes no sense. Young players should be trained to be able to adapt to all systems otherwise it does the club no favours, it limits the abilities of the trainees and their development also restricting their ability to find employment in the professional game.
But if you want to stick with one system no matter what the results then fine.

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That’s the thing, you dont have to play the same formation to keep an identity. I know it’s the prem, but pep changes from a back 4 to a back 3 constantly, but you wouldnt say he changes the way they play or their identity as a team. Crewe’s identity is bringing the young players on and giving them a football education. I could go on, but this idea that you have to play or formation only to have an identity as a club is just wrong. 

[Guitar Ray]

7 hours ago, Powerline said:

Thanks - so I didn’t say it’s a guarantee. That’s all my opinion. I believe we would win more with someone new in. And by proper manager I mean someone who has a clue tactically. Maybe we could actually run a proper recruitment process this time to find one?

“We would win more with someone new in.”  Folks were saying that when Lee Sinnot took over.  You’ve got as much chance of getting a Jim Gannon as you have a Micky Adam’s.  Anyway, how do you know for a fact that we didn’t run a proper recruitment process by the way?  Been playing around with your crystal ball again?

[Powerline]

2 minutes ago, Guitar Ray said:

“We would win more with someone new in.”  Folks were saying that when Lee Sinnot took over.  You’ve got as much chance of getting a Jim Gannon as you have a Micky Adam’s.  Anyway, how do you know for a fact that we didn’t run a proper recruitment process by the way?  Been playing around with your crystal ball again?

With respect, that’s rubbish. We appointed Lee Sinnot and Jim Gannon taking the cheap option as per. The only two decent managers we’ve had in the last 10 years have been the only 2 proven league managers we’ve had. It’s no coincidence. If we sacked Crosby and appointed a Lee Sinnott then we may as well pack it in now.

No - the club stated that this is what happened. It’s common knowledge.

[Guitar Ray]

1 minute ago, Powerline said:

With respect, that’s rubbish. We appointed Lee Sinnot and Jim Gannon taking the cheap option as per. The only two decent managers we’ve had in the last 10 years have been the only 2 proven league managers we’ve had. It’s no coincidence. If we sacked Crosby and appointed a Lee Sinnott then we may as well pack it in now.

No - the club stated that this is what happened. It’s common knowledge.

So you’re saying only a recognised  “name” would be acceptable to you then?  A lot of clubs are happy to appoint an up and coming manager/coach and it often works, equally many well known managers with track records go on to fail.

Where have the club stated that they didn’t interview anyone else for the managers job?

[Brian Johnson]

10 hours ago, Rampant Zebra said:

40% win ratio sounds ok

Or a 60% loss.

Its not a success like you were eluding too

[Brian Johnson]

6 hours ago, Guitar Ray said:

 

Where have the club stated that they didn’t interview anyone else for the managers job?

Flitcroft said at a fans forum and on the ale & vale podcast that they never interviewed anybody else for the managers job because they all wanted Crosby to have ago & succeed.

[Brian Johnson]

6 hours ago, Guitar Ray said:

So you’re saying only a recognised  “name” would be acceptable to you then?  A lot of clubs are happy to appoint an up and coming manager/coach and it often works, equally many well known managers with track records go on to fail.

 

I would bring Pete Wild into that equation.

With his time at Oldham, Halifax and now Barrow, its obvious he is a good manager and if he wants to come to Vale for a couple of years to enhance is reputation further & help put some building blocks in place here before moving onto better things then I'm all for it.

On shoestring budgets he got Halifax into play offs and look at where Barrow are now.

 

[Brian Johnson]

10 hours ago, NellyTheValiant said:

As you metioned him in the Crosby out thread I thought that you were suggesting that he'd be a better manager for us.

Hey Neil,

Pete Wild would be a better manager for us than Crosby by a million miles.

He did a great job at Halifax too

[JoeB2]

7 hours ago, Guitar Ray said:

Anyway, how do you know for a fact that we didn’t run a proper recruitment process by the way?  Been playing around with your crystal ball again?

No, the owner of the club publicly admitted it at a well-attended fans' forum.

[JohnDoe]

8 hours ago, Guitar Ray said:

So you’re saying only a recognised  “name” would be acceptable to you then?  A lot of clubs are happy to appoint an up and coming manager/coach and it often works, equally many well known managers with track records go on to fail.

Where have the club stated that they didn’t interview anyone else for the managers job?

That’s whats important, making sure they have a thorough process and find someone qualified and with the ideas and vision they want. Look at Portsmouth. They interviewed Clarke, but ultimately went for a player coach coming to the end of his playing career with oxford. He wasnt a ‘name’ manager, but was well thought o at his current club, he had his qualifications, and he obviously showed them what they wanted in the interview. And now they are top o the league. If that was vale, half the people here would have lost their s**t because he wasnt some old school journeyman manager who had been sacked from his last job. 

[Brian Johnson]

9 minutes ago, JohnDoe said:

That’s whats important, making sure they have a thorough process and find someone qualified and with the ideas and vision they want. 

But Vale do not have a process or follow one when it came to appointing Crosby

[Fosse69]

Or a 60% loss.
Its not a success like you were eluding too

40% win is 54 points, good enough for mid table most seasons.

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[darren1810]

2 minutes ago, Fosse69 said:

40% win is 54 points, good enough for mid table most seasons.

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I'm not sure beating Malta under 21 team equates to League football. 

[WV]

2 hours ago, Brian Johnson said:

Hey Neil,

Pete Wild would be a better manager for us than Crosby by a million miles.

He did a great job at Halifax too

That maybe true but Carol isn’t paying the compo or the wage he would want. 

[Brian Johnson]

4 minutes ago, WV said:

That maybe true but Carol isn’t paying the compo or the wage he would want. 

How do you know that he's been approached and that they have started discussions about compo & wages?

I would guess we would blow Barrow out of the water to what he's on at Barrow