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[Markie G]

Recently the website seems to be getting more and more spelling mistakes or typos. They also seem to not be able to put any of the text in alignment. The two articles I have read today both have mistake’s, the away travel has Gillingham spelt wrong and the one with Yeates

“We won the first two and wanted to win against Fleetwood, but we didn’t but we got six points fro the other two games so we have got to move on.

Now both of them seem to be typos but still do we not have someone that checks these things?

[valeblue]

You want to get out more!

[Jacky Noff]

You need to check your own spelling really, before you criticise others.

 

Just saying....

[Werrington]

This thread is just a load of blocks

 

Damn....its happened to me also

[robf]

mistake’s

 

Hold on, everyone can make mistakes Mark! ;)

 

I'm sure there are hundreds (if not thousands) of them lurking within 15-odd years of OVF articles.

 

I would give the PVFC staff a break. I've heard from a couple of folk (from Vale and other clubs) that the system to put articles up on the official sites is a nightmare. I would look at the awful Sapient Nitro system that all the Football League clubs have to use as the source of your problem, not necessarily people in the club.

[Tosh]

Hold on, everyone can make mistakes Mark! ;)

 

 

Lol's..;)

[marky mark]

I guess as a professional business the articles should be correct, but then the increased content is the real improvement.

 

Rob do Vale get paid more by having more "hits" to the site? I'm guessing financial deals are in place as all these clubs seem to have the same supplier from the FL.

[robf]

I can believe that. I'm not sure it would stop people being able to write though.

 

I've worked for getting on for fifteen years writing on the internet in my dayjob (not to mention all the articles on here) and I can say, through experience, that a decent content management system plays a massive part in helping correct errors. And vice versa, a bad one can cause you so many problems that you are distracted from error-checking because you are trying to get the damn thing to work... ;)

 

Other factors play a part too.

 

For instance, one of the first things I learnt is that it is tremendously difficult to spot your own typos, grammatical errors and so on.

 

That's why newspapers employ sub editing desks so that a second "pair of eyes" can check the work and spot things the actual writer cannot.

 

All I would say - is that having done a similar job for many years I think it's actually more difficult than it may look to the outsider...

[robf]

I guess as a professional business the articles should be correct, but then the increased content is the real improvement.

 

Rob do Vale get paid more by having more "hits" to the site? I'm guessing financial deals are in place as all these clubs seem to have the same supplier from the FL.

 

I think the main purpose of the official club sites is for communication not revenue generating.

 

I believe there is some sort of advert revenue share in place (for the ads on the website and with the "Player" (in Vale's case Valiant Player) subscriptions but once the FLI (the internet wing of the Football League) and the providers (Sapient Nitro for the website and Perform for the "Player" service) then there's very little left for the club itself.

 

Unfortunately, as it is a league-wide agreement - in that the FLi agree the deal for all the clubs as a whole - and I hear that to "buy out" the contract is very costly, Vale, like a lot of other clubs are stuck with this system, even though it doesn't actually help them that much... *

 

* How do I know all this? A previous role I worked in involved some work with Perform and the FLi so I have a rough understanding of the background and the workings of the deal.

[butt lane vale fan]

I'm going defend Mark here, quite a few have criticised the spelling on the official site lately, with most agreeing. However the OP is being jumped on here. Come on guys, just because he defended the old Board, and at times wound people up, doesn't mean he isn't entitled to his opinion.

[Andyregs]

Jesus wept. The man defended the disgrace that was V2001 despite them destroying the club, yet starts a thread over a typo. So sad! What did you think of your mates glenns use of the website towards the end?

[marky mark]

I think the main purpose of the official club sites is for communication not revenue generating.

 

I believe there is some sort of advert revenue share in place (for the ads on the website and with the "Player" (in Vale's case Valiant Player) subscriptions but once the FLI (the internet wing of the Football League) and the providers (Sapient Nitro for the website and Perform for the "Player" service) then there's very little left for the club itself.

 

Unfortunately, as it is a league-wide agreement - in that the FLi agree the deal for all the clubs as a whole - and I hear that to "buy out" the contract is very costly, Vale, like a lot of other clubs are stuck with this system, even though it doesn't actually help them that much... *

 

* How do I know all this? A previous role I worked in involved some work with Perform and the FLi so I have a rough understanding of the background and the workings of the deal.

 

Thanks Rob.

 

Could Vale setup another website and communicate through that or does this agreement force them to use that company for all club communications. I can't see why any club would want such a deal doing as surly every club must now want to exploit the web more and more for their business?

[robf]

Thanks Rob.

 

Could Vale setup another website and communicate through that or does this agreement force them to use that company for all club communications. I can't see why any club would want such a deal doing as surly every club must now want to exploit the web more and more for their business?

 

Good question. There's a contract in place to use Sapient Nitro as the official club website provider. I believe that doesn't prevent clubs from building their own corporate websites as long as they are not the main official site (i.e. they are secondary sites). For instance, Bristol City have one for their stadium conference suites - link, there are several club shop websites and community websites (Aldershot and Vale to name just two clubs have separate community websites).

 

I'm not sure how it will be legally worded, but I think the contract will be that unless Vale buy out their contract then they are stuck with the current providers for the official website.

 

I guess the issue is - can a club website generate that much money through advertising? I would say it would have to be getting many, many more hits than it does now to generate enough cash to justify paying off the contract and then paying a firm to design and host a new site. It's just not cost effective.

 

In other words, clubs are stuck with this deal thanks largely to the ineptitude of the FLi in picking Sapient Nitro who, according to many accounts, have produced an awful product...

[marky mark]

That is why so many are stuck then. I'm sure somone will find a smart way around this at some point, however maybe like you say it's way too expensive to explore this route.

 

I'm sure if a club was to develop its own mobile app, website and provided all the required features then it would be popular and well used. But it's a big risk and probably must be much more secure to safe with the FL deal.

[Trentham Lakes Valiant]

Thanks Rob.

 

Could Vale setup another website and communicate through that or does this agreement force them to use that company for all club communications. I can't see why any club would want such a deal doing as surly every club must now want to exploit the web more and more for their business?

 

Are the surly clubs as surly as my missus?