Is Mickey really that hard done to?

[ultravaliant]

He hasnt said he has but if sombody told me people had been saying things about me Id be a bit niffed melv and lets be honest with everything that has gone on last couple of seasons he hasnt really had the funds murinio fergie or even de mattio would not have done any better lets judge him on this season and back him just some people on here would critasize him if he won the fa cup lets give him a chance this season

 

I truly despair.

[Valenick]

Why ? What is wrong with you

[Valenick]

Sorry melv at work and keep pinching a look I think we agree then

[JOHNNYAITCH]

 

 

Like making a big deal out of whether MA was on about OVF or another football forum. It doesn't matter. It is highly likely that MA was on about OVF in that he has criticised his so called armchair criticisers on football forums. OVF is a football forum and he has been criticised on OVF. OVF is a prominent Port Vale forum so it is likely that he was on about OVF.

 

If that is aimed at me I believe that you are well aware that was not my issue..my issue was you claiming that he was lying about not coming onto this forum

 

I find it extremely hard to believe that he made the massive decision to speak out at fans over this criticism without checking it first.

 

Why?

 

I may be wrong but if that question doesn't enter your head then i m afraid you are naive. If you take everything at face value you are naive.

 

No one is taking everything at face value..they (I) am taking this statement by MA at face value..not everything..calling me and others naive is ricuculous and a pathetic defence of your position on this

 

If we had taken everything Perry Deakin, Mike Lloyd and Peter Miller had said at face value without questioning it then heaven forbid where we would be now. It is certainly isn't unreasonable to question PR that comes out of the club now bearing in the mind the constant lies that have been coming out of the club over the last 12 months climaxing in the nil shares escapade.

 

What on earth are you on about? This is about taking one statements at face value..one..not all and no statements made by anyone else. You are using lies by MOLD etc to justify claiming MA is lyting? Pathetic

 

Adams certainly hasn't helped himself after promising to pay 50k for shares in Deakin and Millers takeover. I guess we are still waiting for his cheque to clear. I wonder why he isn't wanting to invest 50K now we are going to have a new owner to help the club.

 

Dunno..neither do you. Why speculate that there is something 'sinister'? Ask him?

 

If he wanted to give 50K so much back then, then why didn't he invest it in our hour of need when the wheels had come off? He also didn't help himself when the reasoning behind him leaving his directorship was contradicted by the reasoning given by Stan Meigh.

 

Why do you believe Meigh? Second time I have asked you

 

On a final note why a poster has brought up http://www.goatsinundies.co.uk on this thread i really don't know. But if posters want to post about their favourite websites can i please ask that you start a thread in the off topic section and stop spamming football related threads.

 

That poster was me. You know why I did that. I didn't post about my favoutrite websites, i speculated about it being one of MA's favourites..as you are well aware..why suddenly are you against speculation?

 

Sorry but I find your posts on this absolutely pathetic and your defence of your stance incredible

[JOHNNYAITCH]

I really, really, really hope JA doesn't multi-quote this post.

 

Sorreee...didn't see this until after I had:blush:

[JOHNNYAITCH]

If it is a spoof then i do rightly apologise. I thought it was a genuine account but if it is not then i have no problems at all apologising.

 

 

 

How naive is that

 

Fancy relying on such info without checking the facts first

[JOHNNYAITCH]

Apologies..the above was childish of me

[Chopper Harris]

Apologies..the above was childish of me

 

Well i have been more childish and i would like to apologise as well.

[FATBOYSTEVE]

After reading numerous threads and posts over the past few weeks i have been asking myself is Mickey really that hard done by?

 

There is certainly a strong case to argue that last season was difficult. An EGM forced by supporter shareholders, disruptions in the board room, the possible Mo Chaudry takeover in the background, MOLD, the nil shares fiasco, having to put up with Perry Deakin as your boss :) , the team not performing, Gary Roberts pressing the self destruction button, the club going into administration and being deducted 10 points and not being paid a months wages on time is just a small selection of what went on. Add to this criticism from supporters in recent weeks then you could say that Mickey is extremely hard done by.

 

But do i really feel sorry for him? The answer for me is quite simply no i don't. Mickey is after all a football manager. Lets not forget what a privilege that is and how we have all dreamed to have a career in football instead of doing a normal job. He has played football as a career and has been lucky enough to extend that career by going into management. He does a job that we would all love to do. How many of you have played Championship manager or Football manager and managed the Vale or any club. Why? Because it is amazing. On top of this he gets an extraordinary large wage.

 

When Mickey came back to the club he must have realised that there were problems at the club. I mean if he didn't then where has he been? The moon? He knew the financial limitations of the club. He was given a sizeable competitive budget to spend. He knew that the supporters were at odds with the board. He must have known that things had gone so far down the line that at some point something was going to happen. He has then joined the board to facilitate signings and then there has been a press release that he was actually going to buy shares with his own money. Something Which never materialised much like Deakin and Miller.

 

You could argue that it wasn't his fault that the team wasn't good enough last year. But whose team as it? The answer is it is Mickey's team. He had either signed or retained the services of the team. Gary Roberts may have gone off the rails but who signed him? Mickey did. The waning signs were there for all to see. Roberts for me apart from the first 6 months was awful and mediocre at best. But surely the responsibility for having an average quality team is Mickeys and the boards. To be fair last season i can't knock the attitude of the players who played through some difficult times but some of the standard of play was dreadful.

 

Mickey has been criticised over the past few weeks in numerous threads and posts. But to be fair he has also been supported by a sizeable amount of posters. For me the abuse in some posts about him going to Gillingham is unfair. I don't want to see him abused but at the same time if i m honest i wouldn't have been too sad if he had left. I keep asking the question what has he achieved? I don't blame him either for the loss of Rico, Griff and Rigg. However some criticism labelled at him in my opinion has been fair. The retention of Pope, Taylor, Haldane, McDonald for me was a poor decision. It obviously affects the budget and will impact on who we now sign in the summer. I think posters who have been criticising the criticisers are being a little unfair. Surely it is reasonable to question the retention of these players who really haven't performed as well as expected. I just want us to sign better players after all. This strand of the criticism is fair in my opinion. I m not knocking the efforts of these players but surely there are better quality players out there. Why not be ambitious and take a risk?

 

Mickey has quite clearly not liked the criticism that he has received on OVF and i have a feeling that he does come on here and read what is posted even if he says he doesn't. However i think he is being a little defensive.I don't read many other club football forums but i would bet my last pound that what has been written on OVF is similar to what is written on all forums at times. You only have to look on the Oatcake to see that even Tony Pulis has been criticised at Stoke. I m afraid Mickey criticism is part and parcel of being a football manager and if you don't like it then you are in the wrong job. You have to have thick skin. I m not condoning some of the idiots who write abuse. Far from it. But i do think criticism and debate is fair on the Port Vale fans forum don't you think? I mean where else are supporters meant to raise their frustrations and concerns? i do have doubts that he can do the job but this has been based on who he has signed and retained in the past. Apart from Loft and Shuker it simply hasn't been good enough.

 

A lot of fans have posted that they thought after MOLD had gone the moaners would stop moaning. I personally don't think i am moaning. I m just levelling some criticism which i think is fair in MA's direction over the retention list. This is after all a forum? It amazes me as to how protective some posters are over Mickey saying that it is unfair. Where were you then when Jim Gannon wasn't given a fair opportunity when actually he brought up some very valid points about the current team and coaching staff not being good enough. Didnt you not think back then that some of the abuse he received back then was a little unfair and he should have been given an opportunity. Where were you then? You keep saying just give Mickey time. Why didn't you say last season just give Jim some more time instead of calling for his head after the first week. Surely that criticism was more unfair than my criticism of Mickeys retention list.

 

Some posters on here have been moaning about the moaners. But hold on here a second. For me one of the biggest moaners and whiners of the last months has actually been Mickey Adams. I have forgotten the last good bit of PR he did. Where was he last month when just needed a press release of ' i can't wait of the season to start' or 'i can't wait to bring in some quality players' to steady the ship and reassure supporters after the loss of RICO. It never came. Instead it was a PR disaster of him saying his hand are tied and then complaining about supporters moaning. Why didn't he laugh it off and come out fighting and say "i can't wait to prove my critics wrong". He has been a different person the last 6 months due to his negativity.Why aren't the people who hate moaners telling Mickey to wind his neck in? He has surely been the worst out of all of us hasn't he? If he is this negative with supporters what is he like with the players? Mickey has made his frustrations well known probably. He is probably asking for a bit of understanding from the supporters. But Mickey we are as frustrated as you. Why can't you understand that. After 10 years of Valiant 2001 and then MOLD, years of decline on the pitch we are fed up. This is why sometimes supporters do moan. We have hardly had anything to shout about for years.

 

This has been escalated when he refused to have his photo taken for OVF. This for me is another PR disaster. Yes he doesnt get paid for his photo to be taken but he is the manager of Port Vale and an ambassador for the club. Surely even if he is miffed with some posters he shouldn't take it out on the whole forum. I bet John Rudge would have never have done that.

 

i think some of the abuse that was put towards MA over the Gillingham saga was unfair but some criticism over some of the things that he has don in my book are fair. Surely i m allowed to voice that on the Port Vale fans forum. I have even read some poster saying why are there so many posts on the non football moaning threads and not on the football threads. It is because the news of Tom the goal scoring machine Pope signing is hardly exciting news.

 

Started to read the above monologue then lost the will to live - the short hard fact is there are a very limited number of football league manager jobs available (look at the number of has-been pundits on tv/radio) so when you get one you hang on to it like a limpit imho. regardless of what is thrown your way to handle.