Reverse racism , no?

[JOHNNYAITCH]

Let's for argument sake- say the figures are 100% accurate (which they most certainly arent)- what about the rest of Europe? Spain? Portugal? Turkey? Germany? Poland? Sweden? Denmark? Norway? Italy? Indeed France.. remember our EU citizenship means it is hard to verify who is where at any one time- they dont have to be resident officially. Have you, Yukon or JA even considered this?

 

Yes

 

 

We are looking at a european epidemic of Muslim attempts at Islamic rule.

 

It's like Muslims are a disease that infests Europe..or vermin maybe. Carl can be the pied piper of Boslem to lead them to..wherever

 

They are perfectly entitled to want to spread Islam by legitimate legal means..I have absolutely no issue with anyone of any religion (or indeed of no religion) wanting to spread their beliefs..it's how they do it that matters. There are people of all sorts of religions and political persuasions who seek to spread their beliefs via illegal means

 

You are only considering us as one island yet forget that freedom and movement of people goods and services is within EU membership rights. To ignore the rest of Europe is very foolish indeed.

 

And who is ignoring the rest of Europe? That freedom of movement does not actually exist as far as the UK and EU is concerned although we need to do better when it comes to keeping tabs on people from oustide the UK who come here..we can be a lot better at that and should be

[JOHNNYAITCH]

You don't want to know anything and that is why it belies your ignorance on this matter.

 

I just asked you what they are and so indong so openly admit that i am ignorant of the principles in which the EDL was born.

 

I repeat "What are they? I genuinely don't know and want to know"

 

i give you a genuine opportunity to inform me..why not take it?

[JOHNNYAITCH]

Its alll about the EU directives in other words even our goverment cannot ultimately decide who comes in or out- it is down to EU discretion surely.

 

Surely our border controls enable us to refuse entry to anyone for legitimate legal reasons..the point is that there are border control between the UK and EU

[cheshirevaliant]

EU directives take into account a workers rights to move based on Work and possible relations living in a member state. They can be refused on Security grounds- does this stop our isis freinds from returning yet no apparent statement has been given by the government oin regards to this; possibly because they do not want to create uproar.

 

Here's a link that states "As a European Union (EU) citizen, you have the right to live and work in any other EU country. If you are an EU national or a dependant of such a national and you meet the requirements of the EU Directives on free movement of workers, you may not, in general, be refused permission to land in another EU country. You may require a valid identity card or passport. "

 

http://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Moving-to-another-EU-Country_holder.aspx

 

Its alll about the EU directives in other words even our goverment cannot ultimately decide who comes in or out- it is down to EU discretion surely.

 

You miss the point I am making, deliberately or otherwise. I am not saying they cannot come over. I am saying we can verify who is in our country at any one point in time, contrary to your claims.

[Paul6754]

I don't miss it at all.

 

And that is wrong..but if she wants to then that's her choice and not for us to decide just cos some find it intimidating. Of course there are circumstances when it should be removed..courts, banks maybe and so on

 

You do miss the point, read the articles, for some muslim women wearing the Burka is not a choice, it's forced on them, indeed its even forced on schoolgirls inside and outside by some schools. So what's your solution merely to say its wrong but do nothing about it....let it be.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1195052/Why-I-British-Muslim-woman-want-burkha-banned-streets.html

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/10317036/Islamic-schools-making-girls-wear-veils-and-burkas.html

 

If they are banned they could not choose to wear one so they would not have the choice..you make no sense at all there

 

It makes perfect sense, a women should be free to dress as she chooses in the UK within the law (if there are any on dress) just not in a Burka with all it symbolizes. There is no need to wear the Burka in the UK.

 

No it isn't as my point was and is that just cos someone is wearing a 'mask' does not necessarily mean there is anything sinister going on which was what Carl was suggesting...he compared the burka to the balaclava not me..I quote his post below..

 

My bad.

[JOHNNYAITCH]

You do miss the point, read the articles, for some muslim women wearing the Burka is not a choice, it's forced on them, indeed its even forced on schoolgirls inside and outside by some schools. So what's your solution merely to say its wrong but do nothing about it....let it be.

 

No as I have clearly stated forcing a woman to wear a Burka is wrong and that in some circumstance the wearing of it is always wrong (cort, banks etc) and it shoud be removed

 

I am well aware that for some muslim women it's not a choice. You wanted to ban it which would remove the choice to wear it for those that wish to..by acknowledging that for "some muslim women wearing the Burka is not a choice" you acknowledge that for some it is a choice and you want to remove that choice.

 

I don't fidn a Burka remotely threatening and belive that if a woamn wishes to wear one that's her choice and it's not for me to tell her that she cannot wear one anywhere at anytime

 

It makes perfect sense, a women should be free to dress as she chooses in the UK within the law (if there are any on dress) just not in a Burka with all it symbolizes.

 

So a woman who want to wear a Burka should not be able to do so becasue some people like you reckon it symbolises something. You want to take away the choice to wear one..actually reducing the choice available to Muslim women

 

There is no need to wear the Burka in the UK.

 

There is no need to wear lots of things in the Uk but we don't ban them just cos there is no need.

 

No need to have a shaved head which some people find intimidating, no need to have tattoos which some find intimidating, no need to sing foul mouthed football sings which some people find intimidating, no need to have too much to drink which some people find intimidating..all legal, all intimidating to some, all unnecessary..why pick on the Burka and Muslims.

 

 

My bad.

 

No problem

[Paul6754]

 

I am well aware that for some muslim women it's not a choice.

 

And you're OK with that in 2014 and in the UK.

 

I don't fidn a Burka remotely threatening and belive that if a woamn wishes to wear one that's her choice and it's not for me to tell her that she cannot wear one anywhere at anytime

 

Neither do I, I prefer a women to have the freedom to choose within the law 100% off the time.

 

So a woman who want to wear a Burka should not be able to do so becasue some people like you reckon it symbolises something. You want to take away the choice to wear one..actually reducing the choice available to Muslim women

 

It symbolizes many things, some of which are very restrictive and negative, the majority of people in the UK wish to ban the Burka.

 

http://yougov.co.uk/news/2013/09/18/most-still-want-ban-burka-britain/

 

There is no need to wear lots of things in the Uk but we don't ban them just cos there is no need.

 

No need to have a shaved head which some people find intimidating, no need to have tattoos which some find intimidating, no need to sing foul mouthed football sings which some people find intimidating, no need to have too much to drink which some people find intimidating..all legal, all intimidating to some, all unnecessary..why pick on the Burka and Muslims.

 

Typical tactic of the politically correct and the "Fence sitters", dilute the argument so its OK. Stop being ridiculous.

[carl]

I just asked you what they are and so indong so openly admit that i am ignorant of the principles in which the EDL was born.

 

I repeat "What are they? I genuinely don't know and want to know

 

i give you a genuine opportunity to inform me..why not take it?

 

I dont think i would make a good pied piper JA- I can't play a flute:laugh:

 

On a serious note I can kill two birds with one stone- you have stated quote "I am not interested in knowing about the EDL"

 

This is due to your white lager drinking, knuckle dragging stereotype image you have of each individual who attended marches. The sad fact was the majority of the people who attended these marches had quite justified worry and concern regards the spread of militant islam. You acknowledge that religious practices can be abused- in Islam's case in favour of the sharia law. The principles are to protect our British way of life- to make the eliteists aware of what is going on in our many working class areas throughout the country- rape forced marriages, burka wearing societies which promote anti-intergration. And neighbourhood's turning into no go areas for white people ect due to breakdown of relations due to a minorority of non-intergration attitudes of the musim community the list goes on..not to mention the ideologys of hardcore islamists who are preaching to their youngsters that anything but muslim means we, as a nation are from helland will burn in hell fire ect ect

 

Don't you wonder why an organisation like EDL came about after having our soldiers spat on in the street by Muslims? Do you not see the scope for concern?

 

I can see intergration and socialist policies would not fit in with your persona how life should be- it never did with Margaret Thatcher in the 80's when she declared "there is no such thing as society" This is what organisations like Islam Extremists will take advatage of- they know we as a nation are all selfish self centred and couldnt give a damn about each other- this is what the Muslim extremists will exploit.

 

They are non-fachist. Tthe leader even said a muslim could join the EDL- the whole point was to demolorise and challenge the threat, that we as a nation face today with extremists.

[JOHNNYAITCH]

And you're OK with that in 2014 and in the UK.

 

No and have said so on here repeatedly

 

Neither do I, I prefer a women to have the freedom to choose within the law 100% off the time.

 

Me too. But you want to restrict their choice by banning the Burka. As I have said before (and i clealry have to keep repeating myself) I don't want anyone to have to wear it, and there are circumstancs when it should be removed..but if you ban it you restrict the choice for Muslim women.

 

 

It symbolizes many things, some of which are very restrictive and negative, the majority of people in the UK wish to ban the Burka.

 

I should change my opinion cos of that others want? Do yiou go along and agree with everything the majority (allegedly) want or do you cherry pick

 

The best thing about that vote is that the number in favour of the ban is reducing and the younger element are (so) against it. We're heading in the right direction

 

Typical tactic of the politically correct and the "Fence sitters", dilute the argument so its OK. Stop being ridiculous.

 

I've clearly come down on the side of so many things even in this thread yet you proposteroulsy suggest I am a fence sitter..laughable.

 

I do not dillute the argument at all..I add to it. If one of the issues is people finding someone's appearance threatening or intimidating why do you restrict it to Muslims and the Burka?

 

Oh and can I have an answer as to why a perfectly law abiding muslim woman wearing a burka whilst walking her kids to school is a threat to national security? I maust have asked aslsmot 10 times now..still no answer

 

Plus re the EDL's principles...I repeat "What are they? I genuinely don't know and want to know"..still nio answer

[JOHNNYAITCH]

I dont think i would make a good pied piper JA- I can't play a flute:laugh:

 

How about the oboe

 

On a serious note I can kill two birds with one stone- you have stated quote "I am not interested in knowing about the EDL"

 

I don't recall posting that but if I did dioesn't alter what I aksed

 

I just asked you what they are and so indong so openly admit that i am ignorant of the principles in which the EDL was born.

 

I repeat "What are they? I genuinely don't know and want to know

 

 

 

 

 

This is due to your white lager drinking, knuckle dragging stereotype image you have of each individual who attended marches.

 

No it isn't..it's cos I don't know of their founding principles

 

The sad fact was the majority of the people who attended these marches had quite justified worry and concern regards the spread of militant islam.

 

I accept they had wories and concerns..I don't accept that they are necessasrily justified

 

You acknowledge that religious practices can be abused- in Islam's case in favour of the sharia law.

 

Indeed all religions are guilty of such abuses

 

The principles are to protect our British way of life-

 

And what is that?

 

to make the eliteists aware of what is going on in our many working class areas throughout the country- rape forced marriages, burka wearing societies which promote anti-intergration.

 

It is not a bad thing to highlight the crimes of rape, forced marriages and anti -integration.

 

 

And neighbourhood's turning into no go areas for white people ect due to breakdown of relations due to a minorority of non-intergration attitudes of the musim community the list goes on

 

That was a founding princuiple? Interesting

 

I am against all no go areas for anyone..not just where white people fear to tread

 

..not to mention the ideologys of hardcore islamists who are preaching to their youngsters that anything but muslim means we, as a nation are from helland will burn in hell fire ect ect

 

That's a tricky one cos they are entitled to their religious beliefs..but not to act illegaklly based on them

 

Don't you wonder why an organisation like EDL came about after having our soldiers spat on in the street by Muslims? Do you not see the scope for concern?

 

Well a few Muslims acting in that way is no reason for the EDL to form or to teun against all Muslims..I am sure that the spitting incident is just rteated as one incident amongst many

 

What about the Muslims who fight in the British army? You can't condemn al Muslims coa a few indulged in such disgraceful behaviour

 

I can see intergration and socialist policies would not fit in with your persona how life should be-

 

You could not be more wrong and clealry haven't got a clue what you are on about. Please give me any quote you can find where I indicated that I was against integration and what "socialist policies" I don't agree with.Or highlight any policy I have ever supported ion here that could not be described as socialist. I don't think you will find any

 

r did with Margaret Thatcher in the 80's when she declared "there is no such thing as society"

 

You clealry haven't bothered to understand what she meant by that. I don't agree with her but I understand what she meant

 

This is what organisations like Islam Extremists will take advatage of-they know we as a nation are all selfish self centred and couldnt give a damn about each other- this is what the Muslim extremists will exploit.

 

I don't agree at all with your view of us as a nation..mind you wnating to ban the burka and in doing so restrict choice is perhaps an indication of a self centred society

 

They are non-fachist. Tthe leader even said a muslim could join the EDL- the whole point was to demolorise and challenge the threat, that we as a nation face today with extremists.

 

The tiny threat that we face..after all they are extremists..the clue is in the name

 

Thank you for the info on EDL..interesting

[carl]

How about the oboe

 

 

 

I don't recall posting that but if I did dioesn't alter what I aksed

 

I just asked you what they are and so indong so openly admit that i am ignorant of the principles in which the EDL was born.

 

I repeat "What are they? I genuinely don't know and want to know

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No it isn't..it's cos I don't know of their founding principles

 

 

 

I accept they had wories and concerns..I don't accept that they are necessasrily justified

 

 

 

Indeed all religions are guilty of such abuses

 

 

 

And what is that?

 

 

 

It is not a bad thing to highlight the crimes of rape, forced marriages and anti -integration.

 

 

 

 

That was a founding princuiple? Interesting

 

I am against all no go areas for anyone..not just where white people fear to tread

 

 

 

That's a tricky one cos they are entitled to their religious beliefs..but not to act illegaklly based on them

 

 

 

Well a few Muslims acting in that way is no reason for the EDL to form or to teun against all Muslims..I am sure that the spitting incident is just rteated as one incident amongst many

 

What about the Muslims who fight in the British army? You can't condemn al Muslims coa a few indulged in such disgraceful behaviour

 

 

 

You could not be more wrong and clealry haven't got a clue what you are on about. Please give me any quote you can find where I indicated that I was against integration and what "socialist policies" I don't agree with.Or highlight any policy I have ever supported ion here that could not be described as socialist. I don't think you will find any

 

 

 

You clealry haven't bothered to understand what she meant by that. I don't agree with her but I understand what she meant

 

 

 

I don't agree at all with your view of us as a nation..mind you wnating to ban the burka and in doing so restrict choice is perhaps an indication of a self centred society

 

 

 

The tiny threat that we face..after all they are extremists..the clue is in the name

 

Thank you for the info on EDL..interesting

 

Tiny threat?? JA- that must be the most ridiculous comment you have contrbuted to this thread. The 7/7 Bombings, The Lee Rigby murder, The Stockholm Bombing The pentagon, Twin Towers ect ect

 

How can you label the issue a 'tiny threat'? Are 2 Innocent americans being be-headed a tiny threat?? Thousands of Christians killed and kurdish refugees ect ect

 

You clearly think we are immune and that it never will happen to us. I repeat the EDL was to motivate and bring to the govermen'ts attention what is happening as like yourself you clearly have no idea and is happy to pretend evrything is rosy in the garden.

 

I think we will leave it there now- our interpretations of what is a tiny threat to a giant threat obviously differ. I don't think there is much else to say..except wow!! I'm speechless!!!

[Paul6754]

No and have said so on here repeatedly

 

So if you're so against forcing a women to wear a Burka why allow it to happen, only solution is to ban it.

 

Me too. But you want to restrict their choice by banning the Burka. As I have said before (and i clealry have to keep repeating myself) I don't want anyone to have to wear it, and there are circumstancs when it should be removed..but if you ban it you restrict the choice for Muslim women.

 

I meant to type "I prefer all women to have the freedom to choose within the law 100% off the time". You are not bothered by the women and young children that are forced to wear it in the UK.

 

I should change my opinion cos of that others want? Do yiou go along and agree with everything the majority (allegedly) want or do you cherry pick.

 

The best thing about that vote is that the number in favour of the ban is reducing and the younger element are (so) against it. We're heading in the right direction

 

You're entitled to your opinion.

 

I've clearly come down on the side of so many things even in this thread yet you proposteroulsy suggest I am a fence sitter..laughable.

 

And don't forget politically correct, look through your posts.

 

I do not dillute the argument at all..I add to it. If one of the issues is people finding someone's appearance threatening or intimidating why do you restrict it to Muslims and the Burka?

 

Skinheads and was it tatoos when discussing Burka's, do you understand the definition of of the word dilute.

 

Oh and can I have an answer as to why a perfectly law abiding muslim woman wearing a burka whilst walking her kids to school is a threat to national security? I maust have asked aslsmot 10 times now..still no answer

Pose that to the person who posted it, I have no idea why anyone would post that.

 

Plus re the EDL's principles...I repeat "What are they? I genuinely don't know and want to know"..still nio answer

 

Again, pose that to the person who posted it.

[Yukon]

And yet another stereotyped attack on anyone who dares to show concern against Islam. Let me start by putting to you that we have now moved on from 2011 and hardly an accurate representation of the actual figures is a census what may possibly represent accurately due to non-participation(regardless of the many threats and promises of fines ect ect) You are truly naive if you believe the figures that the governement present on a annual basis. Do you believe all the unemployment figures for example? If you do then possibly you need to consider how these figures are compiled and take in consideration that there might be facts which belie those figures. Statistics are no good when you consider the many 'no -go' area which are appearing around our many towns and cities.

 

But i will say this- Not bad for a 4% Representation of all muslims. Did you even consider the many converted and radicilised musilims around the UK since 2011- Iindeed did you even consider the many borderline converted Musilims during that time? Do you know any English women who have now been converted to Islamic practices and does this not concern you?

 

Why can't I take Rochdale and Rotherham as an example- do we need another five or six major constituent scandals. If you believe that these two are isolated then you are very very naive indeed.

 

I think you will find that many of the above cases do inviolve muslims so please dont bring the white christian populus int ths to suit YOUR agenda. (I know you disgree with many posters on this site and have never really approved of any of my posts in regards football matters either so it is hardly suprising)

 

Why dont you do your research and consider the possible barbaric change in society Sharia Law will pose once it is even put forward as a vaid law- (don't think it cannot happen because it will once they get a grip on the rest of Europe)

 

When you make reference to the 'better informed' you take account of the many facts the government publish- if you are foolish enough to believe everything they tell you particularly with the many corrupt practices going on in this country you are really naive and stupid. Open your eyes on a daily basis and see what is going on around you in the real world!!

 

Okay, I get it you're a islamaphobe, who believes sensationalises nonsense. The bit about Sharia Law becoming " a law" was my favourite! Do you know how law's are made in this country? Look up "royal assent", although you probably think extremists will get into Buckingham Palace too

 

What do you suggest, a Dad's Army style defence? Oh wait, the EDL is far more laughable but yet you seem to be spewing their social brand of nonsense; "get a grip on the rest of Europe"!!! Genius.

[Avon]

Okay, I get it you're a islamaphobe, who believes sensationalises nonsense. The bit about Sharia Law becoming " a law" was my favourite! Do you know how law's are made in this country? Look up "royal assent", although you probably think extremists will get into Buckingham Palace too

 

What do you suggest, a Dad's Army style defence? Oh wait, the EDL is far more laughable but yet you seem to be spewing their social brand of nonsense; "get a grip on the rest of Europe"!!! Genius.

 

Couple of questions, if I may:

1) Do you talk to people like that in real life?

2) If so, do you still have your own teeth?

[Yukon]

Couple of questions, if I may:

1) Do you talk to people like that in real life?

2) If so, do you still have your own teeth?

 

1- Yes, I have the power of my convictions and ignorance annoys me.

2- All of them.