Chelski v Arsenal

[For Us All]

Refs very rarely change their mind,even though the Ox admitted he was the culprit and the Gunners bench told the fourth official the same.It seems they see it as a sign of weakness on the field of play.

[Robbie Earle's Perm]

Refs very rarely change their mind,even though the Ox admitted he was the culprit and the Gunners bench told the fourth official the same.It seems they see it as a sign of weakness on the field of play.

 

It opens up a can of worms, players will always tell you they are never guilty of fouls, losing throw-ins, giving away penalties, diving etc! ;)

[Jacko51]

As I said red card all day for me..it should be a red card cos as far as Ox was concerned he was trying to save a goal..that was his intention..but that's not how the FA rules are at present

 

The fact of the matter, however, is that he wasn't saving a goal because the ball wasn't going in the next so it shouldn't be a red card. What he thought is surely irrelevant.

 

Plus I don't agree with using tv replays under any circumstances either at the time or retrospectively...yes change it to Ox from Gibbs but the red should have stood.

 

You don't agree with replays but you want the card changed to Ox because of a replay?

[JOHNNYAITCH]

The fact of the matter, however, is that he wasn't saving a goal because the ball wasn't going in the next so it shouldn't be a red card. What he thought is surely irrelevant. [/QAUOTE]

 

As i said 'that's not how the FA rules are at present'

 

The facts of the matter also include that he thought that he was stopping a goal as did the ref so I belive that it should be a red

 

You don't agree with replays but you want the card changed to Ox because of a replay?

 

What a bizarre question

 

I want it changed cos the ref got the wrong man,..had those in attendance seen a TV replay to know what happened, had OX, had the other players, had any FA/PL staff in attendance, had the match assessor?? I'll think you'll find OX admitted it was him, the other players knew who it was and 1000s watching in the stadium along with FA staff etc in attendance could see that it was him all without the aid of a TV replay....absolutely nothing what so ever to do with a TV replay.

[newchapel valiant]

The fact of the matter, however, is that he wasn't saving a goal because the ball wasn't going in the next so it shouldn't be a red card. What he thought is surely irrelevant.

 

Sorry Jacko it was a red card, the intent was to stop a goal which the Ox thought was going in. So whether it was going wide or not his intention was to stop a goal.

[JOHNNYAITCH]

The fact of the matter, however, is that he wasn't saving a goal because the ball wasn't going in the next so it shouldn't be a red card. What he thought is surely irrelevant.

 

Sorry Jacko it was a red card, the intent was to stop a goal which the Ox thought was going in. So whether it was going wide or not his intention was to stop a goal.

 

Well no according to the current FA rules it's not a red card as it wan't going in so he didn't stop a goal..my argument is that it should be a red card offence cos that's what he was trying to do

[Jacko51]

 

Sorry Jacko it was a red card, the intent was to stop a goal which the Ox thought was going in. So whether it was going wide or not his intention was to stop a goal.

 

But he didn't stop a goal. That's the whole point. The guidelines say that a red card should be shown for "the unacceptable and unfair intervention that prevented a goal being scored". It doesn't say anything about a player's intention. It clearly says "prevented a goal being scored" - he didn't so it clearly wasn't a red card.

[Jacko51]

 

Well no according to the current FA rules it's not a red card as it wan't going in so he didn't stop a goal..my argument is that it should be a red card offence cos that's what he was trying to do

 

Your argument is that you want the law changed. My argument is that according to the law as it now stands, it was not a red card.

[Jacko51]

What a bizarre question

 

I want it changed cos the ref got the wrong man,..had those in attendance seen a TV replay to know what happened, had OX, had the other players, had any FA/PL staff in attendance, had the match assessor?? I'll think you'll find OX admitted it was him, the other players knew who it was and 1000s watching in the stadium along with FA staff etc in attendance could see that it was him all without the aid of a TV replay....absolutely nothing what so ever to do with a TV replay.

 

But it was only changed because the TV replay proved the ref was wrong. Ox told the ref it was him, he ignored it. The Arsenal bench told the fourth official the ref had got the wrong man. He ignored them. The commentators were confused until they saw the replay. Had that match not been televised and had everyone not seen the replays are you convinced the ref would have admitted his mistake without the replays because he seemed very loathe to do so? Do you think replays should never be used when available to right an obvious wrong? Are you unhappy about goal line technology as well?

[JOHNNYAITCH]

I know that ..already said so

[JOHNNYAITCH]

But it was only changed because the TV replay proved the ref was wrong.

 

 

But it wasn't necessary to have a TV replay..it could perfectly well have ben changed without a TV replay based on eye witness evidence form those who saw it. Are you suggestinging that error could only have been corrected becasue of the TV replay? That without it, it could not have been corrected? I in no way suggsested that a TV replay was or should be used in the process of changing the decision re who got the red card so there is absolutely no contradiction in my post..which is what you appeared to be suggesting

 

Had that match not been televised and had everyone not seen the replays are you convinced the ref would have admitted his mistake without the replays because he seemed very loathe to do so?

 

I've no idea what he would have done

 

 

Do you think replays should never be used when available to right an obvious wrong? Are you unhappy about goal line technology as well?

 

I thought that I'd made my position perfectly clear..I am totally against the use of TV replays, goal line technology and the like

[JOHNNYAITCH]

The commentators were confused until they saw the replay.

 

The ref ignored them quite rightly cos at that point it's his decison to make and he can't change it cos a player and/or managers tell him he's wrong. Are you really suggesting that at that point he should have changed his mind cos players and management were telling him to do so?

 

From what I saw and heard the commentators were only confused about what the ref was doing, not about who had handled the ball.

[newchapel valiant]

 

Your argument is that you want the law changed. My argument is that according to the law as it now stands, it was not a red card.

 

I dont want the law changed i am just stating what i thought was the right decision and the ref agreed, he just sent the wrong player off. What a plonker lol

[JOHNNYAITCH]

I think he made the right decison to show a red card but according to current FA rules he didn't..so he's a pl0nker and the FA people behind the rule are a bunch of pl0nkers. Colletive noun for pl0nkers....a Claridge?

[For Us All]

It opens up a can of worms' date=' players will always tell you they are never guilty of fouls, losing throw-ins, giving away penalties, diving etc! ;)[/quote']

 

Yes,you can't trust anyone these days can you?