Brexit again...

[Jacko51]

In some situations it is (No consent). In some situations it isn't (Consent).

 

As we don't know if he ever did grab anyone and even if he did/didn't consent wasn't discussed then this is conjecture.

 

So let me get this right, are you saying that the POTUS actually told lies about his sexual exploits in which case he's a pathetic fool, or are you saying that "grabbing a woman by the pussy" is acceptable in certain circumstances? Remind me never to sit next to you at the Vale.

[Regal Beagle]

I think your last sentence is more of a damning indictment on men and society as opposed to a defense of Trump.

 

Men should not be grabbing women 'by the pussy' as and when they feel like it. Thats sexual assault in every court in every civilised land.

 

Depends if the woman consents as you well know, and if she does then they should be free to do whatever they like together.

 

And every court would be on my side here as thankfully they have a high standard of proof and due process.

 

Has he ever been found guilty of sexual assault?

[Regal Beagle]

So let me get this right, are you saying that the POTUS actually told lies about his sexual exploits in which case he's a pathetic fool, or are you saying that "grabbing a woman by the pussy" is acceptable in certain circumstances? Remind me never to sit next to you at the Vale.

 

It's impossible to debate on here.

 

 

We're off topic anyway, start a new Trump thread if you like?

[Jacko51]

It's impossible to debate on here.

 

Does that mean you can't answer my question??

[JohnJames]

It's impossible to debate on

 

We're off topic anyway, start a new Trump thread if you like?

 

Losing the argument are you. Trump violently attacked and raped Ivana it was cited in his Divorce. So your hero is Racist and a Rapist.

[Andyregs]

Hmmm did he encourage violence or did he defend the constitution using a hypothetical scenario?

 

Please do go on to the racism examples. I bet it wont at all be using a ridiculous new definition of racism that basically includes absolutely everything.

 

He quite clearly encouraged violence. And your half hearted defence of it is telling. And ignoring the other example.

How you can read the following:

“If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks,” Mr. Trump said, as the crowd began to boo. He quickly added: “Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.”

And take away from it what you suggested, then it’s clear that no evidence is enough when you don’t want to accept it. You asked for evidence and there it is.

As for racism, the list is huge.

The Central Park five, his racism as a landlord in the 70’s, his comments about Obama’s birth certificate, his countless racist comments such as “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.” If you want links I can provide them.

Shall we go on to why he’s a literal idiot now?

[Regal Beagle]

Losing the argument are you. Trump violently attacked and raped Ivana it was cited in his Divorce. So your hero is Racist and a Rapist.

 

losing? I've asked for evidence and not received a single bean aside from the tired old 2016 garbage that didn't stick then.

 

What does "Cited in his divorce" mean exactly? I don't think it means "convicted" or "Beyond all reasonable doubt"

 

Has Ivana backed those claims up since? Did she have any motive to lie?

 

I'm pretty sure if he'd raped anybody we'd have heard it by now. And if it comes to light that he has and he is charged and convicted then I'll hold my hands up.

[Regal Beagle]

Does that mean you can't answer my question??

 

Are you saying that we should police what consenting adults get up to in privacy?

 

And I find your joke about sitting next to me at Vale to be in very poor taste to be honest, so I don't think I will answer your question as you know the answer and the only reason you are asking is to be antagonistic, in my opinion.

[Jacko51]

One question RB. Would you leave your good looking 20 year old daughter (if you had one) in a room on her own with Trump? If you say no, I'll assume it's because you have doubts about his ability to keep his hands off her. If you say yes, I'll assume you are not familiar with safeguarding.

[Andyregs]

losing? I've asked for evidence and not received a single bean aside from the tired old 2016 garbage that didn't stick then.

 

What does "Cited in his divorce" mean exactly? I don't think it means "convicted" or "Beyond all reasonable doubt"

 

Has Ivana backed those claims up since? Did she have any motive to lie?

 

I'm pretty sure if he'd raped anybody we'd have heard it by now. And if it comes to light that he has and he is charged and convicted then I'll hold my hands up.

 

I just gave you some. And you’re pretending it doesn’t exist already.

[Regal Beagle]

One question RB. Would you leave your good looking 20 year old daughter (if you had one) in a room on her own with Trump? If you say no, I'll assume it's because you have doubts about his ability to keep his hands off her. If you say yes, I'll assume you are not familiar with safeguarding.

 

Well seeing as you love a hypothetical: would you believe your son/husband/nephew/father is a sexual predator if they cracked a joke to their mate in private and it was overheard and printed in the press?

 

Let me be clear - I am not saying he has never sexually assaulted anyone. I'm simply pointing out the FACT that you don't know that he has.

 

Just because he is the president does make it fair game. Just because he is rich doesn't make it fair game. Just because he's republican doesn't make it fair game.

[Regal Beagle]

I just gave you some. And you’re pretending it doesn’t exist already.

 

No you didn't. You're trying to twist some quotes from him defending the constitution (something that every US politician in history has done).

 

You are not correct when you say he was encouraging violence, we already had this conversation when you tried to accuse me of encouraging the murder of remainers

[Andyregs]

No you didn't. You're trying to twist some quotes from him defending the constitution (something that every US politician in history has done).

 

You are not correct when you say he was encouraging violence, we already had this conversation when you tried to accuse me of encouraging the murder of remainers

 

Please humour me, in the context he was speaking, how on earth is he ‘defending’ the constitution there. Suggesting that gun nuts could do something about Hillary? You’re also ignoring the other link I gave. And the countless examples of racism. Ive stopped being shocked how some will defend the indefensible just because someone is on their team. The quotes don’t need twisting. You can watch the video of him saying it. You can read his tweet about his biker gangs.

[Jacko51]

Are you saying that we should police what consenting adults get up to in privacy?

 

And I find your joke about sitting next to me at Vale to be in very poor taste to be honest, so I don't think I will answer your question as you know the answer and the only reason you are asking is to be antagonistic, in my opinion.

 

Snowflake.

[Jacko51]

Well seeing as you love a hypothetical: would you believe your son/husband/nephew/father is a sexual predator if they cracked a joke to their mate in private and it was overheard and printed in the press?

 

Let me be clear - I am not saying he has never sexually assaulted anyone. I'm simply pointing out the FACT that you don't know that he has.

 

Just because he is the president does make it fair game. Just because he is rich doesn't make it fair game. Just because he's republican doesn't make it fair game.

 

But just because he is a lying **** does.