Trans

[Paul6754]

If a human being seriously thinks that they are not male or female then that is a sign of possible mental illness.

 

There is most probably a genetic component to this and possibly an environmental one also, I wouldn't call it an illness more of an "Uncertainty" for want of a better word.

[Andyregs]

You have clearly not understood a single post of mine in this thread as I've never once claimed transgender people are attention seekers. You sound like bea smith there.

 

"This is attention seeking at best, mental illness at worst."

 

I presumed you were talking about transgendered people because you had previously claimed they suffered from a mental illness. Who were you referring to?

[Andyregs]

It confuses me that a woman who wants to be a man wants to be a mother before becoming a father

 

anyone would think we were discussing how gender is more fluid than previously believed.

[RailwayRowdy]

Why has mine and Paul6754 latest posts been deleted ? Seems it's ok to condone prospective assassinations and have endless arguments about LGTB issues, but not to acknowledge classical German music. If it was the German text that was the problem, all it said in translation was " Fantastic. I hope you enjoy the evening." If you did not understand the comment, I cannot be held responsible for your ignorance. These pages have been full all day about embracing other people's cultures, yet here you are withdrawing such positive comments.

 

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[Regal Beagle]

"This is attention seeking at best, mental illness at worst."

 

I presumed you were talking about transgendered people because you had previously claimed they suffered from a mental illness. Who were you referring to?

 

I've never claimed anything like that.

 

I've said that people who claim that they are neither male or female are probably mentally ill, or attention seeking.

 

Transgender people are born male or female but identify as the opposite. I absolutely was not talking about transgender people at all and that is clear if you re read my posts.

[Regal Beagle]

Not by being called 'ladies and gentlemen'

They might well not be so happy with you alluding to them as mentally ill, although they've probably heard worse from your kind.

 

'Let's help' is not the same as 'Give them treatment' either. As pointed out by another poster Alan Turing was 'helped' for his 'mental illness' - by electric shock aversion therapy and chemical castration. Would you like some 'help' like that ?

 

classic Bea, welcome back.

 

Absolute lies. And I don't use that word lightly. But to intentionally misinterpret people so often as you do is so dishonest.

[Bea Smith]

classic Bea, welcome back.

 

Absolute lies. And I don't use that word lightly. But to intentionally misinterpret people so often as you do is so dishonest.

 

It's no use - keep digging and more and more people can see what you are and find your cowardly lies in your posts out.

 

Are you going to start calling Andyregs a liar next, as he has asked you exactly the same questions, then the next person, then the next....

sorry, you have damned yourself with your own weasel words and are too cowardly to even stand by your posts.

 

The use of phrases like 'I didn't say that, and EVEN IF I DID' is so hilarious.

[Regal Beagle]

'Let's help' is not the same as 'Give them treatment' either. As pointed out by another poster Alan Turing was 'helped' for his 'mental illness' - by electric shock aversion therapy and chemical castration. Would you like some 'help' like that ?

 

I said 'treatment' and 'help' as you are so quick to quote.

 

I didn't say cure their trans fad or cure Turing's gayness....What on earth are you talking about?

 

Alan Turing was almost certainly suffering from mental disorders and many believe he had Asperger's. I dare say he needed a bit more 'help' and 'treatment' instead of the torture he received.

 

I'm not responsible for pre 1950's policy however much you think hope I am.

[Bea Smith]

I've never claimed anything like that.

 

I've said that people who claim that they are neither male or female are probably mentally ill, or attention seeking.

 

Transgender people are born male or female but identify as the opposite. I absolutely was not talking about transgender people at all and that is clear if you re read my posts.

 

Honest guv, my panzers never invaded Poland. That lot are all mentally ill and need help to be good National Socialists.....

[Regal Beagle]

It's no use - keep digging and more and more people can see what you are and find your cowardly lies in your posts out.

 

Are you going to start calling Andyregs a liar next, as he has asked you exactly the same questions, then the next person, then the next....

sorry, you have damned yourself with your own weasel words and are too cowardly to even stand by your posts.

 

The use of phrases like 'I didn't say that, and EVEN IF I DID' is so hilarious.

 

Andyregs is misunderstood. Hopefully when he reads back my posts he will understand that they cannot possibly have included transgender people. I specifically mentioned humans who did not identify as either male or female.

 

You've been doing the same for months so I refuse to give you the same benefit of doubt. You are a liar, pure and simple. Please quote my lies and ill own up, but you can't. Yet again.

[Regal Beagle]

Honest guv, my panzers never invaded Poland. That lot are all mentally ill and need help to be good National Socialists.....

 

I'm at a loss now. I enjoy a reasonable debate on the off topic forum of a football website and in every single thread I'm called racist, homophobic, disgusting, transphobic, islamophobic. This is about the 5th time you've called me a nazi.

 

All without a single shred of logic let alone evidence. I don't understand how you are allowed to get away with it. There's admin's posting in this thread. If I've stepped out of line then leave it with them. Otherwise please stick to my arguments from now on Bea because I've had enough of you, you are so utterly boring.

[Bea Smith]

I said 'treatment' and 'help' as you are so quick to quote.

 

I didn't say cure their trans fad or cure Turing's gayness....What on earth are you talking about?

 

Alan Turing was almost certainly suffering from mental disorders and many believe he had Asperger's. I dare say he needed a bit more 'help' and 'treatment' instead of the torture he received.

 

I'm not responsible for pre 1950's policy however much you think hope I am.

 

Words in others mouths at the end, I don't hope anything about you, you don't exist as a person to me, just a series of posts. If you don't see the replies that way then that is your problem.

 

But 'treatment instead of 'help' is actually a step nearer to the truth you eventually are forced to admit was torture.

 

You have no way of knowing or evidence to suggest that Turing was a normal gay man, just gifted with brilliant intelligence. Your 'I dare say he needed a bit of help or treatment is playing with words... he didn't need anything except to be allowed to live his life as he wanted which is what would happen today.

 

You rightly say you are not responsible for 50s policy so why have you got so obsessed and upset by a couple of words changed and made over 30 posts about it. Who needs help most I wonder ?

[Regal Beagle]

Words in others mouths at the end, I don't hope anything about you, you don't exist as a person to me, just a series of posts. If you don't see the replies that way then that is your problem.

 

But 'treatment instead of 'help' is actually a step nearer to the truth you eventually are forced to admit was torture.

 

You have no way of knowing or evidence to suggest that Turing was a normal gay man, just gifted with brilliant intelligence. Your 'I dare say he needed a bit of help or treatment is playing with words... he didn't need anything except to be allowed to live his life as he wanted which is what would happen today.

 

You rightly say you are not responsible for 50s policy so why have you got so obsessed and upset by a couple of words changed and made over 30 posts about it. Who needs help most I wonder ?

 

I'm not obsessed. I asked a simple question and yet no one as even attempted to answer it yet after 12 pages. Instead I've been called a Nazi over and over for no reason whatsoever.

 

I dare say the majority of my 30 posts are not even on the subject because you've manged to derail another thread with personal attacks in the name of your bizarre social justice crusade.

 

Answer the question in my opening post please.

[Bea Smith]

I'm at a loss now. I enjoy a reasonable debate on the off topic forum of a football website and in every single thread I'm called racist, homophobic, disgusting, transphobic, islamophobic. This is about the 5th time you've called me a nazi.

 

All without a single shred of logic let alone evidence. I don't understand how you are allowed to get away with it. There's admin's posting in this thread. If I've stepped out of line then leave it with them. Otherwise please stick to my arguments from now on Bea because I've had enough of you, you are so utterly boring.

 

The post you have quoted does not mention you, Considering you love playing with words and meanings in your posts, it does you no favours to squeal like a baby when your efforts are shown up as inadequate. I have broken no rules, so don't let your posts exude such pure victimisation. I have not called you a racist or a Nazi - please quote where if you disagree.

 

If, however, anyone on herehas guilt problems with their prejudices I cant help you, but I'm sure there are some people who can.

 

Your own posts on this thread have referred to me as a liar and been personal but I have not gone snivelling to admin.

 

If I am so boring, you do have the option to put me on ignore.

[Regal Beagle]

The post you have quoted does not mention you, Considering you love playing with words and meanings in your posts, it does you no favours to squeal like a baby when your efforts are shown up as inadequate. I have broken no rules, so don't let your posts exude such pure victimisation. I have not called you a racist or a Nazi - please quote where if you disagree.

 

If, however, anyone on herehas guilt problems with their prejudices I cant help you, but I'm sure there are some people who can.

 

Your own posts on this thread have referred to me as a liar and been personal but I have not gone snivelling to admin.

 

If I am so boring, you do have the option to put me on ignore.

 

Honest guv, my panzers never invaded Poland. That lot are all mentally ill and need help to be good National Socialists.....

 

Stand by your posts bea. You called me out on it about 4 posts back (Even though i've defended every post I've made in this thread)

 

You are a liar, I can post proof of that as well if you want?