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Guitar Ray
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@Brian Johnson you still haven’t answered my original question, which says it all. 👍🏻😘
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On 22/02/2024 at 12:02, PVFC764 said:
I have watched Vale, all around the world for 50 years. I have had the misfortune of seeing them in Div 2. Always hoping we would progress up the leagues.
Each time I, like many others hope we would bounce straight back up. Just when you thought great new owners, setting things up so the club progresses on and off the pitch. Talk the talk about getting Championship ready and now we are well into a relegation battle.
Can't see how we are going to get out of the relegation zone due to the rubbish transfer windows we have seen. The squad seems to have got worse, rather than stronger. Carol says Fraudcroft is responsible for everything on the pitch, yet seems to be teflon about taking the blame and doing something about it.
So what’s tipped you over the edge? You’ve seen far worse than where we are now.
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On 22/02/2024 at 09:30, Brian Johnson said:
@Guitar Ray you have obviously missed this.
I’ve missed nothing.
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On 22/02/2024 at 09:28, Rampant Zebra said:
That is the point though, it does dim the hope. The corner seems to get further away rather than closer as we reverse towards league 2.
I can only speak for myself. I’m always hopeful that things will improve, which they do, football is ups ‘n’ downs.
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17 minutes ago, valiant_593 said:
More looking to renew that i would have thought. Personally I won’t be, football has been dire, there’s a huge disconnect within the club and sadly my interest is really starting to go. No doubt this will be spun back on fans who don’t want to renew / have a season ticket next season with some arguments on budget but the club have brought this on themselves. Much better things to do on Saturdays that watch Ryan loft, Gavin Massey and Connor Grant attempt to play football.
Anyone, yourself maybe, who’s been around for a few seasons has seen it all before and suffered all of the emotions. Crap football, off field issues, relegation, we’ve got the badge. It still doesn’t dim the hope. The good times are just around the corner.
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If clowns want to start online polls when we’re deep in a relegation dog fight why not ask what will help most to preserve our League 1 status, fans in full voice singing “Darren Moores Black ‘n’ White Army””, or, “David Flitcroft Get Out Of Our Club”? Backing the new manager and team unequivocally, or starting disruptive protests? Straight answer, A or B. And what I would say to the blinkered few, you’ve got the rest of your lives to protest about David Flitcroft but only a few months until the end of this season to back Darren Moore and the boys in the fight to stay in this division.
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1 hour ago, PVFC764 said:
It's the problem. Don't want to pay to watch rubbish on the pitch and no doubt at Div 2 standard and be fans are being taken as mugs and told off by the owner for raising concerns. But without the money, the club have no money to buy players.
But then will Fraudcroft actually bring in players that will get us out of Div 2 on the first asking. Nope would be most peoples first thought.
Do you didn’t watch us at all in league 2 then?
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1 hour ago, Loggerheads Sage said:
I assume he meant that flitcroft hadn't had the tools to do his job? Ie, money
Not saying I agree with that, just my interpretation of the post btw
No idea, but there has been a budget for all 3 windows, it’s how that budget has been spent, or not spent, that’s in question. Listening to the podcast would indicate that whilst some players were asking too much we did have some money for the right player but in the end sat on our hands while the clock ticked.
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5 hours ago, Dr Delgado said:
Here’s a question, if a large proportion of our fan base have begun to lose faith and belief in our Director of Football and view him as some sort of charlatan then quite probably a proportion of the playing squad may feel the same way?
If the players lose faith then it may well affect their morale and ultimately what they produce on the pitch. In that sense there may well be some merit in doing all that we can to oust Flitcroft from his post.
whilst Tom Pope’s post exit diatribe could have been articulated a little better, I think he was trying his best to explain what he believed Flitcroft to be and what he would do to the club.
I feel like I am part of a family where a younger sister has fallen for a rogue and no amount of pleading or evidence presented can change her mind, she loves him no matter what. We all know how it will unfold but until she see’s it through there’s nowt we can do other than be there for her when the wheel comes off.
What on earth did that buffoon think would happen when he failed to recruit the players he himself had pointed out that we needed. What did he think was gong to keep us in League 1, the ghost of George Andrews ?
They don’t have to have faith in Flitcroft, they have to have faith in Darren Moore and his coaching staff plus ultimately each other. Probably more than anything they need the full backing of the fans.
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4 hours ago, Brian Johnson said:
Why would it effect the team trying to stay up?
That’s not an answer to my question. It’s an attempt to evade the question. I’ll try again, how does your vote help the team stay in this division? Which right now is far more important than the position of the DoF.
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4 hours ago, Aguar61 said:
It serves the purpose of giving a voice to those of us who are not won over by an open letter and a self serving, self excusing attempt to tell us what to think. This is a football club not a football business. The fans, the people, they should be the concern for the owner, not a self pitying egomaniac head burying mini Machiavellian
Why now though? Why not wait until relegation or survival is assured? It’s patently obvious what the general feeling is. If Flitcroft walks out tomorrow it won’t help the team survive. There are fans on here who are self pitying egomaniacs, hence this ill timed vote.
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2 hours ago, Mellor! said:
I'll renew mine. Football is my release. Vale are my club. I've no interest in removing Carol from the club and she isn't monetarily profiting from the club, so withholding funds will only hurt the club and the team further.
I held money from Smurthwaite and MOLD, but this is a completely different battle imo.
Spot on. We’ll be renewing ours, assuming no changes in personal circumstances. The irony is that folk will hold on to their money and the club will have less to spend on the product on the pitch.
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5 minutes ago, Aguar61 said:
Surely fans of other clubs will want him to stay where he is, that way he won't turn up at their club!
I’d say it’s quite possible fans from his previous clubs may wish to see him out of work to be honest.
Anyway bigger than that, the question to @Brian Johnson and all of us really is how does starting an online petition at this point in time help the team to stay up. Someone explain that one to me.
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4 minutes ago, Brian Johnson said:
Everyone's got a big say now. If you want Flitcroft out, then sign the petition.
The only problem with this is that it’s going to be totally biased as it’s open to anyone. Maybe fans of other clubs will cast a vote which isn’t meaningful in this case.
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On 20/02/2024 at 14:01, MrButton said:
If only you could apply that logic from carol to flitcroft.
Not sure what you mean ?
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23 minutes ago, Heatwave said:
Pointless survey. Carol has Flitcroft's back so there is absolutely no way she is going to dump him.
The thing is, people are blaming him for failings that are within the scope for the team manager. The manager knows what shape he wants his team to play and chooses the players that he thinks will play his system. The DoF assists in recruitment, signs the contracts etc but it's the manager that chooses the targets. Does anyone honestly think Darren Moore will have come to VP on any other basis? The club just made a bad (easy?) choice when appointing a manager this time last season. Vale are paying the price for it now.
I still feel that we're a couple of good performances away from mid table. All Darren Moore has to do is bring it out of this group of players. Maybe next season he'll create a side more to his liking but for now it is what it is. I just hope that it doesn't end with the dreaded drop.
I’m sorry but there’s no way 2 managers are culpable for our current squad. What you’re ignoring is the fact that recruitment of a couple of forwards has been sadly lacking for 3 windows. The only one slightly questionable is the January prior to DC’s sacking when we recruited Matty Taylor, who on paper looked a decent player but actually turned out to be massively unfit, something which should’ve been taken into account at the time by the “analysts”.
Moore may do better than Crosby, then again there’s no guarantee of anything. Either way he’s inherited someone else’s players with little chance to get anyone else in. So even the sacking of Croz was ill timed. It’s a mess.
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5 hours ago, Hitcher said:
Having listened to the DM post match interview it gives me a bit of hope.
They had 1 day and 2 classroom sessions to prep that performance. Think we looked more assured on the ball.
Also thought it was interesting in a DM pre matcher that he said trying new formations can suddenly breath life into different players. Not everything came off for Weir but it was the best I have seen him recently. Would also say the same for Mighten and Loft. Chislett can still be frustrating.
My only concern with 4 at the back is that we are even less will stocked at RB & LB. As others said the game turned when Jones came off.
Anyway a few green shoots. The three up top gives us more options for subs. Hopefully when Gore is fit he has an impact.
Whilst I agree with much of this I don’t agree that we looked more assured on the ball, I thought we looked dreadful in possession and our passing was if anything worse than ever, especially early in the game. Obviously nerves play a part and both sides seemed to both be as bad in this regard, equally both settled more as the game wore on until their goal sucked the life out of us. Second half only one team was going to win it, in part helped by our subs making us weaker. Yet again we were bullied. Some of the finishing from either side was possibly the worst I’ve seen in a long long time given the number and quality of the chances. Few, if any, positives for me, but Ripley definitely worth a shout out .
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1 minute ago, darren1810 said:
That was tongue in cheek. It'll be the Celebrity chase.
I'm actually organising our annual minibus to Burton as I type. 9.00 start . Cafe and pubs in Tutbury. Back to Tutbury after the game and picked up at 20.00pm.
Celebrity Chase is even worse and you were in real danger of making yourself a laughing stock until that last paragraph.
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7 minutes ago, WV said:
How is that being spun as a negative?
Because fans are, or were, fed up of too much of the possession based “tippy tappy” stuff and want us to play a blend of tippy tappy and hoof ball, which I think is where we are at the moment. The honest truth is that if we were winning games then folk wouldn’t give a 💩…….but we’re not…..so they do.
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18 hours ago, darren1810 said:
Mate one or two on here know me. I go everywhere, mainly on train.
I've been night games at the likes of Sunderland and Brighton. Been to some awful places. Halifax with about 1500 there , Sutton etc.
And as a club we are far better off than when I used to trudge to Halifax and Rochdale..
However this current lot have sucked the enthusiasm out of me. It's a chore to go. I don't enjoy it at all.
Not about the winning either as the Charlton 3-3 was excellent entertainment.
I really don't enjoy it. Find them a really dislikeable bunch with the odd exception.
I can spend up to 150 quid on an away game. Reading was 63 train and I think 27 ticket before I'd even supped my first 7 quid pint.
Hopefully I'll feel differently soon but I'm completely apathetic towards it. Don't think I'm alone either sadly.
Yeh but come on, Homes Under The Hammer? Bargain Hunt? Over a train trip and a few scoops? Get a grip.
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21 hours ago, WV said:
Sorry mustn’t have been you. The general consensus on here seemed to be that the system was down to DF and any new manager would have to play that system. DM looking likely to prove that to be the conjecture it is. (<ovf censored>)
Not the “system” as in the formation, but the preferred style of play, as in possession based. I think this was stated at one of the forums, and maybe more, along with being mentioned other interviews. The idea being that the young kids are playing the same way as the first team so that there’s continuity right through all the age groups. In addition, we can sell it to the Prem and Champ clubs when we’re touting for loans.
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2 minutes ago, ginge said:
Interesting thread from the Accrington owner.. who'd own a football club eh?
Bloody hell! 😳😳
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3 minutes ago, darren1810 said:
If you read it I didn't specify myself.
I specified a raucous boozed up away support . They will be standing up regardless.
I'll be on my sofa watching Homes under the hammer or Bargain hunt.
Sort yourself out man. Get your tickets and get on the ale. Rumour has it your sofa’s lost its support.
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3 minutes ago, philpvfc said:
I think DM went as instructed yesterday unfortunately, well, I hope so. Yesterday along with Fleetwood were must win games, and we walk away with zero points, because of these results I think we will go down. I reserve judgement on Moore, if he keeps us up then he has done a very good job but personally I would have rather Crosby stay to the end of the season but given a decent striker to get the job done, I don’t think Moore will keep us up with the strike force we have.
They weren’t must win games, they were mustn’t lose games. Take a point, keep the goal difference static and most importantly keep our relegation rivals behind us.
Crosby had to go, he’d been given more than a fair amount of time. The debacle at Fleetwood was the final nail. Moore has inherited a terrible hand but you can’t argue that the situation wasn’t obvious to him, obviously indicating that he’s got the job next season chance whatever the outcome this. He’s been left shopping in the free agent market so unless someone can pull a rabbit out of the hat we’re still in the same mess.
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All well and good…….but you’ve seen far worse.
I think that you’ve allowed yourself to be overly influenced by social media and internet forums, which are full of dick heads, trolls and self opinionated buffoons, such as myself, which were never part of the equation in the past. Think on that. 👍🏻